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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 17 2014 03:42 GMT
#241
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 17 2014 03:43 GMT
#242
Been watching chunkysucks stream a lot, that dude plays a good gragas and is a solid mid
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 17 2014 03:49 GMT
#243
On July 17 2014 12:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.

"Tantrum"
A new "Tantrum" texture for the resource bar ( where you normally see Energy, Mana, or even Mordekaiser's shied ) was added in today's patch.




There are three different colors - Empty, Blue (calm ) , Red ( active ) , and Yellow ( warning ) . They are not hooked up or used in game and there are no other details. Guess we'll just have to wait and see...

hmmm..
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
July 17 2014 03:51 GMT
#244
So...Essence Reaver is finally a good item. Still not as good as IE but it's definitely an item to consider besides IE or Mercurial.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 03:57:35
July 17 2014 03:56 GMT
#245
On July 17 2014 12:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.

Which I think is kind of silly because the same issues that people apply to him apply to Syndra too, but she's considered a decent pick. Especially with this ult ratio change.

On July 17 2014 12:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
So...Essence Reaver is finally a good item. Still not as good as IE but it's definitely an item to consider besides IE or Mercurial.

No it isn't. I'd actually say it's worse now than last patch.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 03:59:46
July 17 2014 03:58 GMT
#246
yea I'm lukewarm on the Vel'Koz changes, lower base damage is bad for support as is less slow, and the buff part does not address the reasons he can struggle in solo lanes [we'll see how it plays out this isn't me saying omg rip] but my inital impression is he's better on live.

difference between Vel'koz and syndra is Syndra can max a skill that will assist her in not getting shoved, and a spell she can harass with all at once
Carrilord has arrived.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 17 2014 04:05 GMT
#247
On July 17 2014 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 12:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.

Which I think is kind of silly because the same issues that people apply to him apply to Syndra too, but she's considered a decent pick. Especially with this ult ratio change.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 12:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
So...Essence Reaver is finally a good item. Still not as good as IE but it's definitely an item to consider besides IE or Mercurial.

No it isn't. I'd actually say it's worse now than last patch.

It's alot better than it was lol. You can actually use it in place of another lifesteal item if you need the mana back on hit.
aka jayce
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
July 17 2014 04:05 GMT
#248
On July 17 2014 08:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
So how should we do this? Are we only listening to people with a certain rank or higher? Why not just judge things based on their merit as an argument rather than basing it on how it comes off?

I mean, I basically instantly know whether or not a concept is worth investigating or whether it's total garbage when I read it. No big deal. But then again, I think the capacity to understand what's worth looking at and what's bad is the same capacity you need to simply be good at this game in the first place. I feel for all the baddies out there, but the only way to get better is to figure shit out yourself. Don't just listen to every post you come across, apply some discernment.

you can't put forth something like that without the s1 screenshots and pizza Dyrus!

About accountability, long ago there was a forum hero that stopped the bs, not afraid of calling out anyone. this hero left after completing his callout masterpiece, some say it was his biggest mistake, other say it was his best work
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 17 2014 04:14 GMT
#249
On July 17 2014 13:05 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.

Which I think is kind of silly because the same issues that people apply to him apply to Syndra too, but she's considered a decent pick. Especially with this ult ratio change.

On July 17 2014 12:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
So...Essence Reaver is finally a good item. Still not as good as IE but it's definitely an item to consider besides IE or Mercurial.

No it isn't. I'd actually say it's worse now than last patch.

It's alot better than it was lol. You can actually use it in place of another lifesteal item if you need the mana back on hit.
aka jayce

You're paying +800 gold and a shittier build path for 10 AD.
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
July 17 2014 04:19 GMT
#250
On July 17 2014 13:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 13:05 arb wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.

Which I think is kind of silly because the same issues that people apply to him apply to Syndra too, but she's considered a decent pick. Especially with this ult ratio change.

On July 17 2014 12:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
So...Essence Reaver is finally a good item. Still not as good as IE but it's definitely an item to consider besides IE or Mercurial.

No it isn't. I'd actually say it's worse now than last patch.

It's alot better than it was lol. You can actually use it in place of another lifesteal item if you need the mana back on hit.
aka jayce

You're paying +800 gold and a shittier build path for 10 AD.


Actually, +750 for 20 AD. A little less efficient than 2 longswords but you gain more slot efficiency for end game. Manamune also received the same treament so Blue Ezreal now has some end game power in exchange for a little more time to get going.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
July 17 2014 04:20 GMT
#251
On July 17 2014 13:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 13:05 arb wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.

Which I think is kind of silly because the same issues that people apply to him apply to Syndra too, but she's considered a decent pick. Especially with this ult ratio change.

On July 17 2014 12:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
So...Essence Reaver is finally a good item. Still not as good as IE but it's definitely an item to consider besides IE or Mercurial.

No it isn't. I'd actually say it's worse now than last patch.

It's alot better than it was lol. You can actually use it in place of another lifesteal item if you need the mana back on hit.
aka jayce

You're paying +800 gold and a shittier build path for 10 AD.


20 AD. It tied for the cheapest 80 AD item in the game. And lets champions who rely on mana more than those who don't utilize it fully in a lategame build.


Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 04:25:04
July 17 2014 04:24 GMT
#252
On July 17 2014 13:20 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 13:14 Gahlo wrote:
On July 17 2014 13:05 arb wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.

Which I think is kind of silly because the same issues that people apply to him apply to Syndra too, but she's considered a decent pick. Especially with this ult ratio change.

On July 17 2014 12:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
So...Essence Reaver is finally a good item. Still not as good as IE but it's definitely an item to consider besides IE or Mercurial.

No it isn't. I'd actually say it's worse now than last patch.

It's alot better than it was lol. You can actually use it in place of another lifesteal item if you need the mana back on hit.
aka jayce

You're paying +800 gold and a shittier build path for 10 AD.


20 AD. It tied for the cheapest 80 AD item in the game. And lets champions who rely on mana more than those who don't utilize it fully in a lategame build.



My mistake, thought it went from 60 to 70 instead of 50 to 60 in the previous patch. Still don't think it was a positive way of going about it.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 04:32:21
July 17 2014 04:30 GMT
#253
On July 17 2014 13:20 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 13:14 Gahlo wrote:
On July 17 2014 13:05 arb wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2014 12:31 Gahlo wrote:
Da Velkoz buffs
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/716-pbe-update.html


It wrecks support Vel'Koz, which IMO was the only good way to play him.

Which I think is kind of silly because the same issues that people apply to him apply to Syndra too, but she's considered a decent pick. Especially with this ult ratio change.

On July 17 2014 12:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
So...Essence Reaver is finally a good item. Still not as good as IE but it's definitely an item to consider besides IE or Mercurial.

No it isn't. I'd actually say it's worse now than last patch.

It's alot better than it was lol. You can actually use it in place of another lifesteal item if you need the mana back on hit.
aka jayce

You're paying +800 gold and a shittier build path for 10 AD.


20 AD. It tied for the cheapest 80 AD item in the game. And lets champions who rely on mana more than those who don't utilize it fully in a lategame build.

I think it's a much better item in lategame, but its first item timing is still underwhelming.

Shoulda gave it free AD without increasing cost, so it's first item timing would be more competitive. I'm not even sure why they're trying to make the item good, if it does become good it'll be athene's cancer level good.
liftlift > tsm
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 17 2014 04:47 GMT
#254
So at level 16 with 600 AP, Velkoz can do 1,500 magic damage and 370 true damage (if the target already has one passive stack). Could be pretty good with some comps.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 17 2014 05:03 GMT
#255
On July 17 2014 13:47 GolemMadness wrote:
So at level 16 with 600 AP, Velkoz can do 1,500 magic damage and 370 true damage (if the target already has one passive stack). Could be pretty good with some comps.

fiddlesticks does the same amount of damage with like 200 ap. lol.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 17 2014 05:04 GMT
#256
On July 17 2014 13:47 GolemMadness wrote:
So at level 16 with 600 AP, Velkoz can do 1,500 magic damage and 370 true damage (if the target already has one passive stack). Could be pretty good with some comps.


LINE EM UP
Carrilord has arrived.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 05:17:03
July 17 2014 05:16 GMT
#257
On July 17 2014 14:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 13:47 GolemMadness wrote:
So at level 16 with 600 AP, Velkoz can do 1,500 magic damage and 370 true damage (if the target already has one passive stack). Could be pretty good with some comps.

fiddlesticks does the same amount of damage with like 200 ap. lol.


Yeah, but it takes two times longer to do that damage and Fiddlesticks is a pretty strong jungler in solo queue.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 05:32:02
July 17 2014 05:31 GMT
#258
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 05:32:19
July 17 2014 05:31 GMT
#259
On July 17 2014 14:16 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 14:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 17 2014 13:47 GolemMadness wrote:
So at level 16 with 600 AP, Velkoz can do 1,500 magic damage and 370 true damage (if the target already has one passive stack). Could be pretty good with some comps.

fiddlesticks does the same amount of damage with like 200 ap. lol.


Yeah, but it takes two times longer to do that damage and Fiddlesticks is a pretty strong jungler in solo queue.

fiddle can at least zhonya's mid way.
On July 17 2014 14:31 Scip wrote:
It's interesting that Fiddlesticks is no longer one of the highest winrate champions in the game, he used to be there for a very long time. He actually stuck around in top10 a pretty long time after his latest nerfs too. Whatever happened to our love, it used to be so good?

he used to have a good single target cc.
then they butcherd it's length.
then made it even worse to make them always walk away.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 17 2014 05:33 GMT
#260
I'm just dumb, he used to be like 3rd or 4th highest winrate so I looked there, didn't see Fiddle and concluded he isn't top10. He actually moved to the #1 spot this week! :D
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
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