[Patch 4.10] Nidalee/Skarner Rework General Discussion - P…

On June 24 2014 13:41 Slusher wrote:
watch deft Kog'maw and watch NA kog'maw and tell me getting uptime on right click takes no skill.

On June 24 2014 13:45 wei2coolman wrote:
The reason mechanics are so important for ADC's is they have lower margin for error, any mistake means you die. Meanwhile in other roles, you generally have tools in your kit, or your build path allows you to have small margins of error without diminishing your overall combat effectiveness.

On June 24 2014 13:52 cLutZ wrote:


Ironically, he pointed to the ADCs with high margins for error due to long range skillshots, close range combat effectiveness, or spammable escapes as high skill.

On June 24 2014 14:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Anyone find it funny that these item changes are trying to make late game better for ADC's? Maybe should just revert changes to ADC's that they did into S3, rather than trying all these awkward item changes. ShieldThirster and shit.

On June 24 2014 15:07 sob3k wrote:
Not that it matters too much but essence reaver is pretty good on Gangplank. Q all day, Q all night, have 40% CDR with brut/boots/reaver/masteries.

On June 24 2014 15:25 IMoperator wrote:
the adc itemization right now is just really awkward. IE first is such a terrible build path for midgame, you basically have no damage until after you complete PD, and even then, the enemies should have a lot of armor by then. I don't really understand what riot was going for with these changes, adc's were fine lategame, it was just their midgame that was an issue (besides lucian/corki/twitch)

On June 24 2014 15:28 Goumindong wrote:


BF or BF+Pickaxe

Then complete Zeal/Shiv

Then complete IE.

For auto based carries they can purchase a more "smooth" progression to their core IE/PD or IE/Shiv and still be reasonably effective due to the power of multiplicative stats.

Alternately, Shiv first due to the power of its proc early, shoring up some of the mid game weaknesses.

Edit: I am not sure if its optimal, but it seems like a decent option

On June 24 2014 15:18 Goumindong wrote:


Maybe. I definitely think that the BT change isn't particularly good for ADs because the primary tradeoff between BT and IE was the 1-2 item versus the 3 item timing and the resulting dichotomy between ability and auto attack AD's.

At the very least i liked the concept that you could choose between playing the early game and the lategame on some champions, and that other champions were pushed into the early game due to their build priorities.

But now the best AD item to get first is IE or BotRK. Both of these items are for auto attack carries (though of different types) and so the non-AA based carries will fall into one of two camps "Strong enough to buy IE first and wreck the traditional IE first carries" or "worthless"

I mean, how do you play Graves(not that Graves was amazingly strong before the patch) now? What conceptual item could you buy first? BotRK? Why wouldn't you play Vayne or Twitch or X where X is any other champion?

Draven? MF? Varus? Lucian and Corki can at least get Triforce, but buying IE or BotRK first on those champions makes me feel like they should be playing a different champion.