EPTWei, you do realize that "OP" stands for "Overpowered" right? Not, "Overpower"?
Every time you type it, you're basically saying "Overpowered'd".
Just sayin'.
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
Wei, you do realize that "OP" stands for "Overpowered" right? Not, "Overpower"? Every time you type it, you're basically saying "Overpowered'd". Just sayin'. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
I don't think the thought process should be 'does my champion likes atmas stats?, and if yes, get it and build HP to make it efficient' It should rather be, does the champion benefits from lots of HP stacking? And if yes, just now start looking at atmas to see if the stats are useful for the champion/gameplan' . the problem you quickly find is that when you do want tons of HP, you don't want atmas, you rather have other stuff in 85% of your games. Not that atmas's cost efficiency is that bad, it's just that the stats given are all over the place. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Yerrow is known for his teleport+ignite support LB. I never seen him do bad on it in soloQ I think, always carry super hard. Maybe we'll see that? :3 | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On June 21 2014 22:11 Mikau wrote: Not to mention the decision and explanation to stop giving refunds makes complete sense with the number of people abusing this show of goodwill from Riot and the amount of reworks currently going on and the ones coming up. I still remember the swain incident. When he came out and people were angry that torment didn't work like that ability from DotA (Maledict?). I had bought him but I had general misgivings so I sent a support ticket to get a refund. Then I felt about it and sent another saying I changed my mind and the support guy was so happy about that that he gave me 6300 IP, i.e. Swain was free for me. So I guess the lesson is ask forgiveness, not permission. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Also swain is probably the most fun i've had playing league outside of support, its a shame the lanes he plays in are just unfun epitomized to me. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 21 2014 20:49 GolemMadness wrote: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4572524 Basically, no more refunds for reworked champions. It's pretty fucking hilarious how entitled people feel. People asking for getting unconditional refunds at some regular rate? If you asked that of any other company, you'd get laughed at. Even the "3 lifetime refunds" policy is already pretty damn lax compared to what any other gaming company would give you. On June 21 2014 21:39 Embir wrote: Yeah so it is officialy big fuck you from Riot. Knowing this company they will never try to balance things around. No, if something is popular let nerf this beyond any viability and buff some other things. Rinse and repeat. They aren't going to balance game as a whole, they just want constant nerfs and buff cycles - because it is easier and more profitable. Name me one other game where balance changes would be considered legitimate grounds for refunding content. The fact that Riot even ever did this in the first place is extremely generous. | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2240 Posts
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2240 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
I hate this company so much. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I think Riot is incredibly flexible when it comes to champion purchases. People need to get the idea out of their head that reworked champions = free refund. | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On June 22 2014 01:01 SharkStarcraft wrote: I love how they nerf Lucian by so little it will be barely noticable and twitch gets fucked right in the pussy The new adc items are also a pretty big nerf to Lucian, whereas they do not effect twitch significantly. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 22 2014 00:56 TheYango wrote: Name me one other game where balance changes would be considered legitimate grounds for refunding content. The fact that Riot even ever did this in the first place is extremely generous. TO be fair, not many other gaming companies at the time allowed you to spend real money to get time or money gated content. most companies just released a full game. the micro transaction games prior to league were almost universally considered money grab games. league did change the market quite a bit. the burden of absorbing the consequences of that change are rightfully or not, on riot's shoulders. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On June 22 2014 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: wtf are these maokai nerfs are they serious? I hate this company so much. wat. Maokai's getting buffed on PBE. Mana and cooldown buffs across the board. Plus his peeling power is even stronger now. The only real nerf is the range reduction on W, which will hurt his early ganks, but they're also apparently removing his cast time on it. That's reasonably significant considering that Maokai's W cast time is pretty significant atm. Even then, 500 range is still ok for ganking. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 22 2014 01:04 Shelke14 wrote: I love how some people seem to think there is just a basic formula that could balance all games but gaming companies just choose to ignore it. It's pretty much impossible to keep a game balanced as long as new content is constantly being added and or taken away. Hell, look at major sports in the world. Rules are always changing because things are invented to improve individuals and other things. you could argue that the way Ice frog has done it, by disabling dramatically new content from competitive play for extended periods of time and prior to dota 2, having a stable version compared to a new version, is objectively better than riot's 'okay next week we use new patch!'. definitely not perfect though. doesn't help the actual balancing, but helps mitigate the negative effects of changes. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
It's lower than Ryze's, Elise's, Viktor's point'n'click spells. And considering the long cast animation of Sapling Toss, counting on its short slow to make up for it is... not convincing to me (also plays against mobos Maokai since you'd lose the bonus from the sapling and not run in range). W's damage is worse against almost everyone until level 8 (need ~850-900 HP if you don't have AP, and way more if you have any, for level 1 W), it's only a buff if you use it on big monsters, and past level 14 for your targeets (unless they build a bunch of HP or, again, you have AP). The ult is a huge nerf to me. I'd rather be able to drop it on my team and dive the enemy to lock down a carry if the game calls for it, than have to forsake all of Maokai's initiation power because if I don't sit on top of my carries they won't benefit from my ult. It also forces him to stick with them, making it worse against AoE comps (gives them one more target for free) when one of the 2 comps it's good against is typically AoE teamfight comps (the other is assassins). Re: refunds. I understand the refunds for Karma and Trundle because the changes made to them were really significant (especially poor Trundle who got molested pretty hard, and his whole identity and 2 of his skins (classic and lil' slugger) were basically removed/made moot by it. Others like Twitch, though? Sure, Twitch's worse in many ways now (dance, some of his lines, walk, etc.) but it's still close enough to the original, he keeps most of his identity. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I have about 3.5 million ranked games (SR soloQ) collected so far. Out of these many ranked games, only 3 games reached 90 minutes. This is literally one in a million. Here they are: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3MwDuFG.png) | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
I'd argue both are failures, as they should try to stay as close to the original play style as possible when changing champions. but whatever. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 22 2014 01:31 Sufficiency wrote: I think I forgot to show you guys this: I have about 3.5 million ranked games (SR soloQ) collected so far. Out of these many ranked games, only 3 games reached 90 minutes. This is literally one in a million. Here they are: How far back does this collection go? I find it interesting that 2 were in bronze and knowing diamond streamers they were probably trolling. | ||
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