EPT[Patch 4.9] RIP Kha'Zix General Discussion - Page 18
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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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Drium
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On June 05 2014 19:16 M2 wrote: A bit off topic, but guys do you know why I can't upgrade Rengar's bone tooth trinket to full ward or sweepers? is it intended to be like that? I mean a trade off for having a free item there instead of just a trinket? I know that when you win the quest and take Kha Zix head it automatically upgrades itself, but is this the only path to do it? You get upgraded trinket if you hit 20 stacks even without Kha'zix. That's 20 kills+assists though :/ | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On June 05 2014 19:43 zodde wrote: You get upgraded trinket if you hit 20 stacks even without Kha'zix. That's 20 kills+assists though :/ I don't like that at all, tried to use it to kill a vayne one game, then realized oh wait cant do that cause my trinkets shit | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On June 05 2014 20:17 miicah wrote: Ashe coming back is the only good thing about those lifesteal changes. Does riot really not consider changes like adding LS to dorans blade can affect other lanes? Like holy shit trundle is going to be even EASIER to play top with the dblade changes. It's not a huge deal lol. 5 flat health you get back now would mean for 3% lifesteal(going off waht they used to be i havent actually looked) to be doing the same you'd need to do 166~ damage an auto attack to get the same heal or 200 to heal for more, which most top lane champions wont do. some jungles with ad steroids might break even, and adcs will pass them eventually but its not game breaking or anything imo. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 05 2014 20:38 arb wrote: It's not a huge deal lol. 5 flat health you get back now would mean for 3% lifesteal(going off waht they used to be i havent actually looked) to be doing the same you'd need to do 166~ damage an auto attack to get the same heal or 200 to heal for more, which most top lane champions wont do. some jungles with ad steroids might break even, and adcs will pass them eventually but its not game breaking or anything imo. Its actually 3 so not very hard to start healing more.Also healing extra from crits. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On June 05 2014 20:39 nafta wrote: Its actually 3 so not very hard to start healing more.Also healing extra from crits. but no one besides the adc or like nocturne or yi are going to build crit. its not suddenly going to destroy every lanes balance. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On June 05 2014 20:39 nafta wrote: Its actually 3 so not very hard to start healing more.Also healing extra from crits. Pretty sure it's 5 for melees (if we're talking about trundle). | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4152 Posts
On June 05 2014 19:43 zodde wrote: You get upgraded trinket if you hit 20 stacks even without Kha'zix. That's 20 kills+assists though :/ Negative. I think your info is old. Even with 20 stacks you cant upgrade it | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 05 2014 18:39 GolemMadness wrote: Xpecial's thoughts on the ADC changes: Alex Chu @CurseXpecial 2h People love to hate on Riot's balance team, but talking to them and seeing their reasoning, they have the right idea. Pros have a vested interest in changes that don't actually change much, because it simplifies things for them. I remember dyrus really liked the old renekton, shyvana, mundo top because he said it was easy to not lose lane n | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On June 05 2014 20:38 arb wrote: It's not a huge deal lol. 5 flat health you get back now would mean for 3% lifesteal(going off waht they used to be i havent actually looked) to be doing the same you'd need to do 166~ damage an auto attack to get the same heal or 200 to heal for more, which most top lane champions wont do. some jungles with ad steroids might break even, and adcs will pass them eventually but its not game breaking or anything imo. Champions like Rengar, and Trundle would get there pretty quickly, especially with their Q's. | ||
yamato77
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 05 2014 21:29 yamato77 wrote: Riot will never understand that homogenization is not a way to add diversity to choices in champion select or to itemization. It always seems like they are afraid the game will veer too far from their vision for every character and role. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Bloodthirster becomes a problem when its too commonplace as it creates a situation where it basically comes down to who acquires it first. I really don't understand this line of reasoning. BT always worked like this when you got ahead because it allowed you to get more ahead. If you fucked up and died or didn't cs as well as me you deserve to fall behind when I finish my big ticket item first. There was literally nothing wrong with the BT passive just seems like Riot wants to make the game more forgiving. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 05 2014 21:15 cLutZ wrote: Pros have a vested interest in changes that don't actually change much, because it simplifies things for them. I remember dyrus really liked the old renekton, shyvana, mundo top because he said it was easy to not lose lane n I also feel some pros tend to be rather easy to manipulate by just speaking properly and forming an argument in a "Intellectual" way. It's rather easy to make someone believe your reasoning is correct if they aren't used to discussing ideas and don't have a very clear grasp of their own vision. Have to remember most pros only have basic level education which own its own doesn't exclude them from critical thinking but can potentially put them at a disadvantage when dealing with people that have lots of experience past that point. Man I'm really trying to beat around the bush here. Let me just say it straight. I believe most pros aren't that smart when it comes to the scope of thinking and foresight needed to balance a game in a non-obtrusive manner. They are also impressionable youths barely into the real world. On June 05 2014 21:43 overt wrote: I really don't understand this line of reasoning. BT always worked like this when you got ahead because it allowed you to get more ahead. If you fucked up and died or didn't cs as well as me you deserve to fall behind when I finish my big ticket item first. There was literally nothing wrong with the BT passive just seems like Riot wants to make the game more forgiving. I get the impression Riot actually dislikes the model of a "Moba" or RPG model if that's better way to describe it. They have been actively removing the concept of a gold advantage translating into more strength which leads into higher chance of getting a bigger advantage. It's the fundamental concept RPGs and Mobas function on. This is even worse because they first designed LoL to have multiple scaling properties that require this very concept to function properly. They can't retroactively change the concept of AP/AD scaling on abilities to better realize their no advantage or "snowballing" policy so they have to go about it in another way. So far this has meant decreases reward for CSing or Killing champions while increasing passive gold gain. Now it seems they trying more avenues | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 05 2014 21:49 Numy wrote: I also feel some pros tend to be rather easy to manipulate by just speaking properly and forming an argument in a "Intellectual" way. It's rather easy to make someone believe your reasoning is correct if they aren't used to discussing ideas and don't have a very clear grasp of their own vision. Have to remember most pros only have basic level education which own its own doesn't exclude them from critical thinking but can potentially put them at a disadvantage when dealing with people that have lots of experience past that point. Man I'm really trying to beat around the bush here. Let me just say it straight. I believe most pros aren't that smart when it comes to the scope of thinking and foresight needed to balance a game in a non-obtrusive manner. They are also impressionable youths barely into the real world. the riot payed salaries can't hurt their thinking either. i remember scarra saying prior to the LCS frequently he would be nervous about the riot contracts keeping him from speaking out against riot if he disagreed with them because he wouldn't want to be fired for it. On June 05 2014 21:43 overt wrote: I really don't understand this line of reasoning. BT always worked like this when you got ahead because it allowed you to get more ahead. If you fucked up and died or didn't cs as well as me you deserve to fall behind when I finish my big ticket item first. There was literally nothing wrong with the BT passive just seems like Riot wants to make the game more forgiving. If they are making BT more slot efficient and less cost efficient im for it, but i doubt that. the effect they dislike is a result of it being the most cost efficient laning item for ADCs in the game so there isn't something you can buy to "catch up" if the other side gets their big item first. if you could go: damn they got BT and im still on vamp scepter + 1400 or whatever let me just buy the dead end cost efficient ad item to keep up in lane. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 05 2014 21:51 PrinceXizor wrote: the riot payed salaries can't hurt their thinking either. i remember scarra saying prior to the LCS frequently he would be nervous about the riot contracts keeping him from speaking out against riot if he disagreed with them because he wouldn't want to be fired for it. Yea the few people that do have the knowledge, confidence and experience to discuss these things may be held back by the monopoly nature of League of Legends. I think this is partially why Unions were created. It's almost impossible for an individual to speak out against his/her company of employment but via a Union they are more able to do this(At least here not sure about other countries). | ||
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