EPTAlso I need STRIKER LUCIAN and SWEEPER ALISTAR, SO GOOOOOD.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/06/64-pbe-update.html
Dem nidalee changes.
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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Also I need STRIKER LUCIAN and SWEEPER ALISTAR, SO GOOOOOD. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/06/64-pbe-update.html Dem nidalee changes. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On June 05 2014 15:15 Gahlo wrote: Did anybody run that outside of C9 with any real frequency? I don't remember it being a super popular thing. SK used ashe/zyra heavily, it was primarily a western thing and all the teams used it but I suppose SK and C9 were the only two that heavily prioritised the ashe/zyra | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
did the meta at that time happen to be non-mobile junglers or something? because you literally cant win 2v2 vs them. you just get kited to hell and 6 is stun lock death | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On June 05 2014 15:19 VayneAuthority wrote: its still a really strong lane until you get ganked lol did the meta at that time happen to be non-mobile junglers or something? because you literally cant win 2v2 vs them. you just get kited to hell and 6 is stun lock death I think at the time thresh wasn't mega popular, so between correct ward/hawkshot/seed placement it was near impossible to gank it. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 05 2014 15:17 Fusilero wrote: SK used ashe/zyra heavily, it was primarily a western thing and all the teams used it but I suppose SK and C9 were the only two that heavily prioritised the ashe/zyra Vulcshit used it towards the end of s3 as well. New BT looks so silly, like what does a shield have to do with being thirsty for blood. like wut the fuck. just call it shield shit while you're changing it. Also, their complaint about Crucible as too common, is fucking hilarious. It's the only fucking support item that doesn't have useless stats in it's cost. Maybe if ohmwrecker, banner of command, and twinshadow doesn't have AP cost attached to it, you'd see less fucking crucibles. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
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kongoline
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wtf they want to nerf omen even more, guess i will jsut bend over and let jax and irelia rape me then | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 05 2014 16:57 kongoline wrote: http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/E1xOE2gc-410-live-gameplay-patch-forecast wtf they want to nerf omen even more, guess i will jsut bend over and let jax and irelia rape me then Tristana is one of the most classic Marksmen and we’ve identified her as one of the weaker ones in today’s landscape. That being said, we believe there are many low risk changes we can actualize to make her a more attractive champion in the live game. I don't think there's much critical thinking involved. They just nerf whatever pros use most. Nerf adc and what is used to counter ADC at the same time and expect the meta to change. Then they add a shield on BT to try to counter Rengar. Cool. Low Elo Tristana is like unstoppable as long as you don't go balls to the walls jump initiate every teamfight. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On June 05 2014 16:57 kongoline wrote: http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/E1xOE2gc-410-live-gameplay-patch-forecast wtf they want to nerf omen even more, guess i will jsut bend over and let jax and irelia rape me then dont even list what they are over react already lol. probably a health nerf or a build path change tbh | ||
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ZataN
New Zealand414 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 05 2014 16:57 kongoline wrote: http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/E1xOE2gc-410-live-gameplay-patch-forecast wtf they want to nerf omen even more, guess i will jsut bend over and let jax and irelia rape me then Riot confuses me. | ||
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Celial
2602 Posts
On June 05 2014 16:01 wei2coolman wrote: Vulcshit used it towards the end of s3 as well. New BT looks so silly, like what does a shield have to do with being thirsty for blood. like wut the fuck. just call it shield shit while you're changing it. Also, their complaint about Crucible as too common, is fucking hilarious. It's the only fucking support item that doesn't have useless stats in it's cost. Maybe if ohmwrecker, banner of command, and twinshadow doesn't have AP cost attached to it, you'd see less fucking crucibles. I really like Banner of Command. At my level of play the easiest and safest way to get pressure on a lane. When I play an AP support like Zyra or Karma, I always build it. It slowpushes a lane and I get gold, win win! | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 05 2014 11:23 InfSunday wrote: Is there any reason that Vi has dropped off the professional level recently so hard compared to a few patches ago? Are the other strong junglers really that much better than she is? I've been playing her a lot recently and she seems just as good as she was before, though maybe I'm just playing against people who don't know what they're doing. :/ She's an ult bot who tends to lose duels to the majority of junglers (even Sejuani) if she can't jump them with a fully-charged Q. She actually has a pretty long cd on it too so until she gets more levels (like 7+ and some CDR) her lack of mobility and short-term dps really hurts her (she'd lose most straight 2v2s). In an aggressive meta it's made up for by her laners: she provides the cc and some burst damage, and they do the rest. She thrived when mid was an assassin contest, as her teammate could easily bait a gank or all-in and she'd come in, both disrupting the attack and providing the lockdown for him to kill the enemy who just committed. Now that the accent is back on safety (LB is a bitch to gank, even if she commits, Ziggs and Lulu need to be dived, Nidalee doesn't assist ganks well, etc. basically she'd need a match-up like LB vs Nidalee to act the same way as before, and that one's already one-sided enough). Her utility is limited, and conflicts with her mobility (really bad for her when behind, compared to Lee, Elise or Kha), her burst falls off if she doesn't stay ahead, so the current meta with super-powered anti-burst Exhaust, defensive peeling like Morgana or Thresh, and generally low burst damage (pick potential is like cocoon -> guaranteed Javelin Toss) means she's pretty easily neutered... and she's bad from behind. In a vacuum she's not that bad. It's just the game currently discourages the picks she works well with, and promotes stuff she's outright bad against. Marksmen that we feel need some special lovin’: No Graves. What. They're going to nerf BT, "compensating" with a component not going to help him (525 aa range, when's he supposed to be topped in health?), and talking about how burst/AD ratios-oriented marksmen are weak late game and how others are too strong early, but it doesn't occur to them at all that the only thing unique about him now is Smokescreen? Every other aspect, even his intended niche (his design niche) are taken over, and not by one champion, but multiple ones. The brawler aspect supposed to stem from his base stats and passive isn't even there either because the safety provided provided by range+mobility (compare the backswing from his dash with Lucian's for example, latter's much smoother) and the better damage from others more than makes up for whatever number of aa his tankiness "buys" him when dived. And it turns out removing some mana cost on Tristana doesn't help her that much. Well no shit Sherlock, maybe they'll think about other changes than systmatically lowering mana costs then? Crucible totally invalidates Ashe and Varus and no other reason at all so let's nerf that shit because it's everywhere. Well yeah, you create a darn Cleanse as an active, of course it's going to be popular! Even if Leona and Thresh would rather buy something else in terms of stats it's normal that they want the active; tilting it more toward the mana/mp5 aspect is also useless since chalice already takes that role (and Sona/Alistar/Lulu/etc. already looked at it, they just went "meh" because it basically was a slot for solving mana issues). Ashe's ult cd is 100/90/80, Varus' is 120/105/90, Crucible's cd is 180s. Yup. They're totes 100% countered by the item, not worth picking anymore, etc. Not sold on the dblade change either because it was used so often off-lane as a result of dshield being nerfed to shit. Even if you wanted survivability you'd be better off buying dblade and constantly auto-ing the minions, plus the additional damage and sustain was a better deterrent for aggression and in the end "protected" you better against early aggressors. Nerf that, don't touch dshield, and your damn "Renekton bar" will effectively weight more heavily. Losing the on-hit for lifesteal is also a nerf to anyone not running AD runes (Irelia for example). | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On June 05 2014 17:47 Celial wrote: I really like Banner of Command. At my level of play the easiest and safest way to get pressure on a lane. When I play an AP support like Zyra or Karma, I always build it. It slowpushes a lane and I get gold, win win! The one really useful active (well one that isn't dependent on your gp/5 item) in protecting your ADC: "Well guys we better remove that too many people use it." Make the other items better, not the only good one shit. Oh and the ADC changes are stupid. Why not just increase base stats for all AD items with a few tweaks for Lucian/Twitch's spell damage (personally I'd increase Lucian's Q CD and make Twitch's cloak delay a bit longer when taking damage, a bit shorter without taking damage)? It's not like ADC does too much damage anyway with the amount of armor items that every other role tends to build. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On June 05 2014 17:47 Celial wrote: I really like Banner of Command. At my level of play the easiest and safest way to get pressure on a lane. When I play an AP support like Zyra or Karma, I always build it. It slowpushes a lane and I get gold, win win! The one really useful active (well one that isn't dependent on your gp/5 item) in protecting your ADC: "Well guys we better remove that too many people use it." Make the other items better, not the only good one shit. Oh and the ADC changes are stupid. Why not just increase base stats for all AD items with a few tweaks for Lucian/Twitch's spell damage (personally I'd increase Lucian's Q CD and make Twitch's cloak delay a bit longer when taking damage, a bit shorter without taking damage)? It's not like ADC does too much damage anyway with the amount of armor items that every other role tends to build. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
Alex Chu @CurseXpecial 2h People love to hate on Riot's balance team, but talking to them and seeing their reasoning, they have the right idea. | ||
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Bulgaria4167 Posts
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