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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 31 2014 13:24 GMT
#1361
I feel like the people who are saying it must not be the camera angle missed Sufficiency's earlier post where Twisted Treeline has a perfect 50/50 winrate, and All for One ARAM has the exact same blue side advantage as Summoners Rift.

Given that, how can it not be the camera angle?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-31 13:37:01
May 31 2014 13:36 GMT
#1362
The can work out, the next time we have NA/EU vs Korea we can just give NA the blue side every game and maybe it'll be 3-1 instead of 3-0
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 31 2014 13:51 GMT
#1363
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ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
May 31 2014 14:02 GMT
#1364
On May 31 2014 22:51 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 22:36 Kupon3ss wrote:
The can work out, the next time we have NA/EU vs Korea we can just give NA the blue side every game and maybe it'll be 3-1 instead of 3-0


even if blue side is actually OP it would take like 50 games to actually show a difference.

50-1 #thedream

Where'd you get that stat from? How do you know that that particular imbalance only effects 1 in 50 games and not say 1 in 10, or 1 in 100?
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 31 2014 14:04 GMT
#1365
On May 31 2014 10:13 Sufficiency wrote:
Win rate on blue side, separated by player's league:



Win rate on blue
Challenger 59.75%
Diamond 56.53%
Platinum 55.88%
Gold 55.94%
Silver 55.11%
Bronze 53.10%


Before you go WTF CHALLENGER WINS 60% ON BLUE SIDE, know that challenger players win 55% of the time over all, so their blue side win rate is inflated too.

Sufficiency's table shows 60% winrate for blue vs purple in Challenger.

60% means that 1 in 10 games that should go to purple, go to blue.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 31 2014 14:25 GMT
#1366
On May 31 2014 22:24 Ketara wrote:
I feel like the people who are saying it must not be the camera angle missed Sufficiency's earlier post where Twisted Treeline has a perfect 50/50 winrate, and All for One ARAM has the exact same blue side advantage as Summoners Rift.

Given that, how can it not be the camera angle?


I don't think people are saying it's not the camera angle. Merely that is could be something more and the camera angle only a piece of it. Just seems extremely odd that this is such a huge deal in lol compared to other games.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
May 31 2014 14:27 GMT
#1367
I'd like to see stats for locked camera play in LoL. that could possibly exacerbate the camera view imbalance
cool beans
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 31 2014 14:45 GMT
#1368
On May 31 2014 23:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
I'd like to see stats for locked camera play in LoL. that could possibly exacerbate the camera view imbalance


Can't mine user settings. Sorry.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 31 2014 14:46 GMT
#1369
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 31 2014 14:48 GMT
#1370
On May 31 2014 23:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 10:13 Sufficiency wrote:
Win rate on blue side, separated by player's league:



Win rate on blue
Challenger 59.75%
Diamond 56.53%
Platinum 55.88%
Gold 55.94%
Silver 55.11%
Bronze 53.10%


Before you go WTF CHALLENGER WINS 60% ON BLUE SIDE, know that challenger players win 55% of the time over all, so their blue side win rate is inflated too.

Sufficiency's table shows 60% winrate for blue vs purple in Challenger.

60% means that 1 in 10 games that should go to purple, go to blue.


Not sure what you mean here.


Challenger players have roughly equal chance to play on blue or ppurple side. It is just that they are so good that they win 60% of the time on blue and 50% of the time on purple.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-31 14:59:32
May 31 2014 14:54 GMT
#1371
On May 31 2014 21:43 IMoperator wrote:
playing botlane on blue side is SOOOO much better than playing purple side botlane. The camera angle is just so bad for botlane, you have to play unlocked basically 100% or you cannot see anything. Idk about the other lanes since I don't play those as much, but I feel like there's a huge disadvantage for purple side there.

Lol.You misspelled having golems to heal and not having to back early.Are there really people who still play with locked camera?Why is that even an option lol?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-31 15:22:07
May 31 2014 15:18 GMT
#1372
I started playing with locked camera in teamfights. I can only effectively do this if fight is above me. Cuz hud blocks my view for incoming skillshots if fight is below me. Camera angle is pretty big imo.
liftlift > tsm
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 31 2014 15:21 GMT
#1373
On May 31 2014 23:54 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 21:43 IMoperator wrote:
playing botlane on blue side is SOOOO much better than playing purple side botlane. The camera angle is just so bad for botlane, you have to play unlocked basically 100% or you cannot see anything. Idk about the other lanes since I don't play those as much, but I feel like there's a huge disadvantage for purple side there.

Lol.You misspelled having golems to heal and not having to back early.Are there really people who still play with locked camera?Why is that even an option lol?

Locked camera is what a lot of pros use during laning phase and teamfights. Allows for better skillshot dodges and less likely to lose vision of your character mid fight.
liftlift > tsm
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
May 31 2014 16:09 GMT
#1374
On June 01 2014 00:21 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 23:54 nafta wrote:
On May 31 2014 21:43 IMoperator wrote:
playing botlane on blue side is SOOOO much better than playing purple side botlane. The camera angle is just so bad for botlane, you have to play unlocked basically 100% or you cannot see anything. Idk about the other lanes since I don't play those as much, but I feel like there's a huge disadvantage for purple side there.

Lol.You misspelled having golems to heal and not having to back early.Are there really people who still play with locked camera?Why is that even an option lol?

Locked camera is what a lot of pros use during laning phase and teamfights. Allows for better skillshot dodges and less likely to lose vision of your character mid fight.

SOURCE please. I don't believe that shit.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 31 2014 16:14 GMT
#1375
On June 01 2014 00:21 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 23:54 nafta wrote:
On May 31 2014 21:43 IMoperator wrote:
playing botlane on blue side is SOOOO much better than playing purple side botlane. The camera angle is just so bad for botlane, you have to play unlocked basically 100% or you cannot see anything. Idk about the other lanes since I don't play those as much, but I feel like there's a huge disadvantage for purple side there.

Lol.You misspelled having golems to heal and not having to back early.Are there really people who still play with locked camera?Why is that even an option lol?

Locked camera is what a lot of pros use during laning phase and teamfights. Allows for better skillshot dodges and less likely to lose vision of your character mid fight.


Wut.

The BW player in me calls bullshit.
aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
May 31 2014 16:17 GMT
#1376
if you want vision of your hero tap space bar with ur thumb...? if anything locked camera hurts you more, i would say dodging skill shots is 75% prediction and 25% reaction and its hard to do either of those when you only have half a screen to see the enemy hero positions and the skillshot itself
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
May 31 2014 16:18 GMT
#1377
I know Doublelift plays with locked camera during teamfights, he stated this multiple time in interviews. not sure about laning phase though
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 31 2014 16:23 GMT
#1378
On June 01 2014 01:18 ParadeofMadness wrote:
I know Doublelift plays with locked camera during teamfights, he stated this multiple time in interviews. not sure about laning phase though

I see zion use it a lot in stream. Not sure if he full locks or just holds onto spacebar for long ass time. I've seen dyrus use it occasionally but for shorter periods of time.
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 31 2014 16:24 GMT
#1379
On June 01 2014 01:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 01:18 ParadeofMadness wrote:
I know Doublelift plays with locked camera during teamfights, he stated this multiple time in interviews. not sure about laning phase though

I see zion use it a lot in stream. Not sure if he full locks or just holds onto spacebar for long ass time. I've seen dyrus use it occasionally but for shorter periods of time.


Holding the spacebar and having locked cam are different things.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 31 2014 16:29 GMT
#1380
On June 01 2014 01:24 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 01:23 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 01 2014 01:18 ParadeofMadness wrote:
I know Doublelift plays with locked camera during teamfights, he stated this multiple time in interviews. not sure about laning phase though

I see zion use it a lot in stream. Not sure if he full locks or just holds onto spacebar for long ass time. I've seen dyrus use it occasionally but for shorter periods of time.


Holding the spacebar and having locked cam are different things.


The effect is the same. The difference is toggle vs hold.
liftlift > tsm
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