EPTOn April 23 2014 07:51 krndandaman wrote:
woah
braum seems to be like a leona but manlier
woah
braum seems to be like a leona but manlier
Leona feels manlier tbh. More dmg potential from her. Also more melee kit designed around her.
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Leona feels manlier tbh. More dmg potential from her. Also more melee kit designed around her. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Their definition of "support" "fighter" and "tank" also just continues to dole out cancer in droves. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On April 23 2014 07:52 Gahlo wrote: Armor outperforms health in a lane that's largely physical base and is sustain heavy. You need the sustain though. From a pure level 1 EHP standpoint Health is better even vs pure physical. Sustain is what makes your actual Health higher than what your actual maximum Health is. Also, it's not inconceivable that a mix of Health and Armor could be optimal, due to multiplicative scaling. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Braum doesn't have anything that makes people want to attack him, since his positional tools make him want to stand between the teams rather that force the enemy's hand. So he fits the bill for the "sturdy, with cc, can soak up damage" but not the definition of a "tank" you'd expect coming from, for example, MMORPGs. His E makes him manly in the same vein as Galio, though. "You want this spell to be useful? Go and take some arrows/magic missiles/shotgun rounds to the face." Meanwhile, we finally get a Kain skin. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Instead, I'll give you a flowchart. Am I going to buy a lifesteal item at some point in the game? - If yes, NEVER TAKE HEALTH RUNES - If no, possibly take health runes Are you building a vamp scepter on ADC at some point ever? Yes you are. Don't take health runes. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On April 23 2014 08:23 Ketara wrote: Instead, I'll give you a flowchart. Am I going to buy a lifesteal item at some point in the game? - If yes, NEVER TAKE HEALTH RUNES - If no, possibly take health runes Are you building a vamp scepter on ADC at some point ever? Yes you are. Don't take health runes. You don't take health runes to be stronger over the entire laning phase, you take them to be stronger at level 1/2. In 2v2 lanes that's when the skirmish which typically decides how the next few levels will go happens, and having 40-50 more ehp in that fight can really help. If you could choose between a (hypothetical numbers) 25% chance of randomly dying level 2, but have 4 more base armour, or definitely not dying level 2, but losing 4 armour in exchange for 32 hp then clearly you'd choose to lose the the armour. Not saying it's a 25% chance but it's definitely a non negligible one. Of course if you're playing in gold or whatever where people don't even push for lvl 2 half the time, then the benefit isn't really there, but if you're often fighting at level 2 then I don't think you can pretend there's no benefit to it. I mean, i could use exactly the same logic to argue that you should only run scaling armour in bot lane, because over the course of the game it's so much better and synergises so well with lifesteal etc etc. But if you come into lane with scaling armour and I have flat armour/hp, you can bet we're all inning you level 1/2/3 | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On April 23 2014 08:17 Alaric wrote: Well... he'd be a tank in that he has the ability to soak up damage. 'cept we all know you won't tank for shit if people ignore you, that's why "tanks" are champions who tend to be initiator, very "in your face" style, and in the case of Rammus or Shen with a taunt so you can make sure people attack you instead. Braum doesn't have anything that makes people want to attack him, since his positional tools make him want to stand between the teams rather that force the enemy's hand. So he fits the bill for the "sturdy, with cc, can soak up damage" but not the definition of a "tank" you'd expect coming from, for example, MMORPGs. His E makes him manly in the same vein as Galio, though. "You want this spell to be useful? Go and take some arrows/magic missiles/shotgun rounds to the face." Meanwhile, we finally get a Kain skin. His numbers will have to be ridiculous to be able to compete with Thresh IMO. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
most likely result is people buying him because he looks like a badass, realizing they hate playing a champ that can't kill anyone regardless of item/exp differences, and then later on occasionally ruining some poor ADC lane partner's day when they are last pick and get forced into support kind of like people who play alistar once every 50 games. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On April 23 2014 08:30 killerdog wrote: You don't take health runes to be stronger over the entire laning phase, you take them to be stronger at level 1/2. In 2v2 lanes that's when the skirmish which typically decides how the next few levels will go happens, and having 40-50 more ehp in that fight can really help. If you could choose between a (hypothetical numbers) 25% chance of randomly dying level 2, but have 4 more base armour, or definitely not dying level 2, but losing 4 armour in exchange for 32 hp then clearly you'd choose to lose the the armour. Not saying it's a 25% chance but it's definitely a non negligible one. Of course if you're playing in gold or whatever where people don't even push for lvl 2 half the time, then the benefit isn't really there, but if you're often fighting at level 2 then I don't think you can pretend there's no benefit to it. I mean, i could use exactly the same logic to argue that you should only run scaling armour in bot lane, because over the course of the game it's so much better and synergises so well with lifesteal etc etc. But if you come into lane with scaling armour and I have flat armour/hp, you can bet we're all inning you level 1/2/3 that (along with no AD ratios) is why i run HP seals and armor quints on tristana. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On April 23 2014 08:34 cLutZ wrote: His numbers will have to be ridiculous to be able to compete with Thresh IMO. If you have a yasuo, then braum support is just a way of getting a malph ult into the game without losing the presence of a typical top laner, has a harder to negate ult (you can't beat it by just not grouping, you actually have to be careful of braums angle to your team,) and can build absolutely full tank while still having a few abilities to help keep his carry alive. Dunno how effective he'll actually be though, really depends on his numbers. | ||
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Chemiczny84
Poland458 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl3MbwyCAAAiIOI.jpg:large) Dragonslayer Pantheon has arrived... | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On April 23 2014 08:40 Chemiczny84 wrote: Meteos is playing feral flare kayle, hilarious yeah it's in the "don't tell anybody about it so i can get promoted before it becomes permabanned" category for me. | ||
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
also Meteos lost + Show Spoiler +  | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
I realize nobody cares and this isn't a grumpy "I quit" post, just really sad to see a game I love so much go down a path like this. Also, I vaguely remember reading about a Pro LoL "talk show/website" being set up featuring our very own Neo and a bunch of high Elo/challenger players. Does anyone have the link for that or was I dreaming? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I assume his jungling to be abysmal (probably done on purpose by Riot) since Q is single target and is his only damaging basic ability. During ganks unless his laners have cc it looks like he'd be hard pressed to convert a Q into a stun, depending on his W's range of course. Can't really compare him to Leona because his kit seems like it's more geared toward defense and counter-initiation than really poking people. A bunch will depend on numbers, especially on his E which could be good against poking supports (esp. Sona). He may also be good at defending under tower since by standing between the turret and the enemy he'll automatically take damage, protecting the tower and drawing aggro. As is, reading about his numerous limitations in lane makes it look like he'd be pretty meta-dependant. Which would be fine by me, not everyone needs to be Thresh (bring back Sona pls). On April 23 2014 08:17 Alaric wrote: Meanwhile, we finally get a Kain skin. On April 23 2014 08:46 NeoIllusions wrote: TL LoL, prepare your bodies (and your wallets) + Show Spoiler + Dragonslayer Pantheon has arrived... Old man Neo can't keep up. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On April 23 2014 08:46 NeoIllusions wrote: TL LoL, prepare your bodies (and your wallets) + Show Spoiler + Dragonslayer Pantheon has arrived... dat splash. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 23 2014 08:17 Alaric wrote: Well... he'd be a tank in that he has the ability to soak up damage. 'cept we all know you won't tank for shit if people ignore you, that's why "tanks" are champions who tend to be initiator, very "in your face" style, and in the case of Rammus or Shen with a taunt so you can make sure people attack you instead. Braum doesn't have anything that makes people want to attack him, since his positional tools make him want to stand between the teams rather that force the enemy's hand. So he fits the bill for the "sturdy, with cc, can soak up damage" but not the definition of a "tank" you'd expect coming from, for example, MMORPGs. His E makes him manly in the same vein as Galio, though. "You want this spell to be useful? Go and take some arrows/magic missiles/shotgun rounds to the face." Meanwhile, we finally get a Kain skin. He intercepts projectiles, So if he is between you and their ADC you're forced to attack him unless you have non-projectile abilities/spells. If you close to flank he can slow/stun you. He stuns with his own basic attacks as well as his Q and allies basic attacks. So its not hard for him to slow/stun someone who is trying to flank. Because his slow starts his stun his allies can stun even when he is not in range. His W will make the person he is defending hard to kill (especially if they have sustain) regardless of whether or not he can entirely prevent damage with his E. On April 23 2014 08:30 killerdog wrote: You don't take health runes to be stronger over the entire laning phase, you take them to be stronger at level 1/2. In 2v2 lanes that's when the skirmish which typically decides how the next few levels will go happens, and having 40-50 more ehp in that fight can really help. If you could choose between a (hypothetical numbers) 25% chance of randomly dying level 2, but have 4 more base armour, or definitely not dying level 2, but losing 4 armour in exchange for 32 hp then clearly you'd choose to lose the the armour. Not saying it's a 25% chance but it's definitely a non negligible one. Of course if you're playing in gold or whatever where people don't even push for lvl 2 half the time, then the benefit isn't really there, but if you're often fighting at level 2 then I don't think you can pretend there's no benefit to it. I mean, i could use exactly the same logic to argue that you should only run scaling armour in bot lane, because over the course of the game it's so much better and synergises so well with lifesteal etc etc. But if you come into lane with scaling armour and I have flat armour/hp, you can bet we're all inning you level 1/2/3 But as soon as you auto attack in the 2v2 a couple of times(because you have dorans blade) the armor is better. And if you take near any harass before the fight and have time to sustain a bit the armor is better. And if you pop a potion during the fight the armor is better and if... I think you get the point | ||
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