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Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
April 15 2014 21:03 GMT
#1721
imagine if bandage toss were made a targeted spell
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 15 2014 21:11 GMT
#1722
I've been trying Nami a bit... urgh. She's pretty frustrating to play, Q isn't too easy to land, W needs bounces to be worth it, eg. to be in a fight, E is the same, and R is a counter-initiation ability.
Compared to Lulu, I feel like I don't do anything because my range is more or less the same as Sona and I'm almost as squishy, but without true sustain or poke.

Granted, one of the games it was Yasuo, Fizz, Xin, Vayne, LB (support who built full AP) so it really didn't make Nami's kit shine. Having to basically wait for an ally to get initiated on to be able to Q means "wait for an ally to die to cc the killer" against assassins, the heal won't save anyway (Sona's is weak too but more spammable and the resistances buff is basically "grant 150~250 HP to allies around you" in the midgame). Her damage is also really pitiful outside of high level bubbles.
I see the appeal of E->auto->Q to force trades in lane, but unless you're really good at hitting bubbles out of the blue she really felt very underwhelming. Being unable to do anything outside of combat while being super squishy in said combat doesn't exactly suit my style either, I prefer to feel active/contributing.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
April 15 2014 21:14 GMT
#1723
Basically so much is changed that it's a new champion. I much prefer their reworks that were just slight tweaks (Trundle, Sivir, Katarina) over shit like Skarner and Gragas that totally change the feel of the champion (well TBH I haven't played a single game of Skarner since the rework).
I am the Town Medic.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 15 2014 21:24 GMT
#1724
Katarina's, as minor as you call it, changed her playstyle massively because of how increased her dps and mobility was. Pre-change Katarina couldn't have played the tank Kat top lane and still destroyed people with W spam.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 15 2014 21:25 GMT
#1725
I think bubble just takes a while to get good at. It's frustrating when you are first learning her, but once you get to the point where you can hit most of your bubbles she feels a lot stronger. But I mean if she's not your style of champ I would just play someone else haha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 15 2014 21:31 GMT
#1726
On April 16 2014 06:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
I think bubble just takes a while to get good at. It's frustrating when you are first learning her, but once you get to the point where you can hit most of your bubbles she feels a lot stronger. But I mean if she's not your style of champ I would just play someone else haha.


I will further add that if you max her Q then you don't have to worry about hitting it, as it will be up every 6 seconds anyways. :D You'll hit ONE.
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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-15 21:35:25
April 15 2014 21:33 GMT
#1727
Bubble is really nice, and the similarities with Lina (dota) AoE triggered some old synapses.
She also have the smallest sized (I think?) hitbox, a blessing in some situations.

On April 16 2014 06:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:
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On April 16 2014 06:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
I think bubble just takes a while to get good at. It's frustrating when you are first learning her, but once you get to the point where you can hit most of your bubbles she feels a lot stronger. But I mean if she's not your style of champ I would just play someone else haha.


I will further add that if you max her Q then you don't have to worry about hitting it, as it will be up every 6 seconds anyways. :D You'll hit ONE.

Mana though..
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
April 15 2014 21:37 GMT
#1728
On April 08 2014 01:38 Dark_Chill wrote:
What would be cool is to have howl turn into an aoe fear. Makes sense with his theme (he's a werewolf hunting for blood, that's pretty scary). His ult is kinda pointless these days, when there are people who just have straight up better ones. Instead of stunning himself, maybe doing one claw attack to suppress the enemy while he can still move around.
The bigger thing I find problematic is the focus on aa for warwick when his ult is the only way to jump onto people and he's a melee with no other cc.

I'm glad they took my idea for warwicks skill though
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 15 2014 21:37 GMT
#1729
On April 16 2014 06:33 Duvon wrote:
Bubble is really nice, and the similarities with Lina (dota) AoE triggered some old synapses.
She also have the smallest sized (I think?) hitbox, a blessing in some situations.

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On April 16 2014 06:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On April 16 2014 06:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
I think bubble just takes a while to get good at. It's frustrating when you are first learning her, but once you get to the point where you can hit most of your bubbles she feels a lot stronger. But I mean if she's not your style of champ I would just play someone else haha.


I will further add that if you max her Q then you don't have to worry about hitting it, as it will be up every 6 seconds anyways. :D You'll hit ONE.

Mana though..

And that's why I love that chalice is a standard pickup now lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 15 2014 21:42 GMT
#1730
On April 16 2014 06:14 Alzadar wrote:
Basically so much is changed that it's a new champion. I much prefer their reworks that were just slight tweaks (Trundle, Sivir, Katarina) over shit like Skarner and Gragas that totally change the feel of the champion (well TBH I haven't played a single game of Skarner since the rework).

Kat was such a huge change though...
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-15 21:53:30
April 15 2014 21:51 GMT
#1731
Q is Nami's only skill which cost doesn't go up with levels, so yeah, maxing Q is actually the least mana-intensive.
W max doesn't seem that bad before the first back, but then you spend 1/5th of your mana pool to heal what can be dealt with 1-2 autos or a spell and you're a bit depressed, yeah. x')

Chalice being so crucial means later boots/talisman after sightstone and chalice tho.

I get that Nami's utility is high, but it also looks pretty niche, even though several people here talked of her as a generalist support. Since it's MS and/or ground-based skillshots based (as opposed to hard cc or pass-through skillshots) mobility really hurts it, and it's so common now...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
April 15 2014 21:55 GMT
#1732
Max E -> Play with Cait/Lucian -> Profit while jacking off in bushes.
God Bless
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 15 2014 22:20 GMT
#1733
On April 16 2014 03:52 Kyrie wrote:
whether or not renekton is well balanced is entirely dependent on the definition of 'balanced', which is far from standardized and is at the heart of most champion balance disagreements

i don't think anyone disagrees that he is a very strong laner who has the largest individual impact on the viable champion pool. whether this is problematic is an entirely different matter

what were things like before renekton was thought of as the #1 top lane issue? if renekton were not in the game, would the number of viable top laners be appreciably different? would there be a much more even, rock paper scissors sort of interaction between many champions rather than the 'must be this tall to ride' restriction that renekton places, or would somebody else become the new benchmark? if there are many champions who can still compete with renekton, does that make it ok that many others will never see play unless he is banned? what color socks am i wearing right now?


The problem I see with current Renekton being the "measuring stick" is not that there need not be one, but that:
1. While he has been said measuring stick, only champions that play almost exactly like him have been able to "measure up", so to speak; and
2. The Ryze buffs showed that he isn't a particularly healthy measuring stick. He is just as susceptible to hard counter matchups as any other toplane, its just that people couldn't see what his counters were because he was so strong as to transcend counters.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 15 2014 22:40 GMT
#1734
i have an extremely serious problem where i want to buy swiftness boots on every non ad but i feel like theres some math proving how good mercs/tabi are pls mathcraft me
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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
April 15 2014 22:40 GMT
#1735
yeah toplane "bar" isnt Renekton anymore, it's Ryze. His last round of buffs make him a lot safer toplane, PLUS in the meta of junglers who sit in the jungle and masturbate over getting an extra 3 on hit magic damage on hit instead of ganking he's pretty much god tier. If you have a "flare jungler" who doesn't gank the Ryze over and over the game is pretty much over unless the rest of the map is getting completely shit on.

Speaking of flare junglers, some dude in D1 has been absolutely destroying games with Olaf, flare + bork just kills people...
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 15 2014 22:45 GMT
#1736
On April 16 2014 07:40 Dusty wrote:
yeah toplane "bar" isnt Renekton anymore, it's Ryze. His last round of buffs make him a lot safer toplane, PLUS in the meta of junglers who sit in the jungle and masturbate over getting an extra 3 on hit magic damage on hit instead of ganking he's pretty much god tier. If you have a "flare jungler" who doesn't gank the Ryze over and over the game is pretty much over unless the rest of the map is getting completely shit on.

Speaking of flare junglers, some dude in D1 has been absolutely destroying games with Olaf, flare + bork just kills people...

The Renekton Bar is something Riot mentioned recently that they are going to start buffing around. I don't think any buffs have hit the PBE since they made that post though.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
SilentShout
Profile Joined March 2011
686 Posts
April 15 2014 22:51 GMT
#1737
What is the current train of thought about going against a double heal bot lane? I feel passive farming is pretty safe right now, at least until 6.

Also, it is has gotten considerably more difficult to peel for my carrys since 4.5. It's not uncommon to get up to 3 of these in a game; LB/Jax/Yi/Fiora/Xin/Kha/Nocturne/Aatrox/Zed/Yasuo/Irelia, etc. Lulu has been my answer so far, but she isn't always available (banned/mid), so perhaps it's time to reacquaint myself with Janna...
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
April 15 2014 22:56 GMT
#1738
So Warwick now has Phoenix's Q. Am I reading that right?

@SilentShout Zyra is another Support with decent Peel/Disengage. Not as good as Janna of course, but at least you'll be more a threat during the laneing phase.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 15 2014 22:57 GMT
#1739
On April 15 2014 23:35 Ketara wrote:
I have a question for all the better players than me out there.

Do you guys leash at all bot lane?

I'm increasingly of the opinion that whoever spends more time leashing bot lane gets level 2 second and ends up losing lane because of it, all so the jungler can do their first clear 1 second faster.

Should I just stop leashing altogether?


I always leash, unless the jungler tells me not to. It's a lot more than 1 second faster.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 15 2014 23:54 GMT
#1740
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