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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:22 lilwisper wrote: I thought I also saw in a stream (Nightblue's I think) that if you are able to see who unpaused the game, they are the one who started the drop. Unpaused the game..? Are people using drophacks in customs? | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:23 Dusty wrote: Why am I seeing so much Irelia lately? Probably to VS Ryze? | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:25 Alzadar wrote: Unpaused the game..? Are people using drophacks in customs? It wasn't a custom so I am guessing that it's part of the hack, hence if you see an unpause, more than likely they caused it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:23 Dusty wrote: Why am I seeing so much Irelia lately? must mean Riot's balance department has done their job. Nerf all current top laners til Ryze and Irelia are good again. Riot has come full circle (for like 30th time), and now has to proceed to nerf Irelia and Ryze to irrelevance. The cycle of life and death continues. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:36 lilwisper wrote: It wasn't a custom so I am guessing that it's part of the hack, hence if you see an unpause, more than likely they caused it. That's not true. I have screenshots of "myself" unpausing the game when i got drophacked. It does seem like the pause function is a part of the hack though. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:46 zodde wrote: That's not true. I have screenshots of "myself" unpausing the game when i got drophacked. It does seem like the pause function is a part of the hack though. Ah I see. Good to know. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Because after 10 straight minutes of 9 people disconnecting we figured out who the 10th guy was. Here's a hint: While we all couldn't move he pushed down 3 towers. And yeah the pause thing isn't related to who's doing it. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
How is Irelia any better than Renekton vs Ryze? You still get poked to death, it's not like you'll magically rape him pre-6. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You're supposed to basically zone yourself at level 1 because there's no way you'll get any cs without taking a Q and at least 2-3 autos, even more if you naively try to stay in range of multiple minions to finish them all. Even once the wave is under tower, Ryze can easily harass you with Qs while you last hit (and autos while you last hit ranged minions) and you're going to miss a bunch of farm if he's smart and doesn't shove. Sure, once you get sustain and level 6 you may be able to win all-ins (although you can't trade at all because his cooldowns are way shorter than your Q and E) but by then you should be at such a huge cs disadvantage, and possibly exp since he always backs first and possibly has TP, that he should still be way ahead of you. Can't possibly try to all-in and manfight him either because you'll draw minion aggro while he won't, you need some ramp up on your passive while he's ranged, and his Q has a shorter cooldown than any of your spells at levels 1-3. Add to that that he can start sapphire+2 and he'll wreck you. So, yeah, I guess a flask start would be the best (since it's more EHP than NMM+2 and dblade+pot is nowhere near enough), with a dedicated runepage to withstand the harass (got an AD, HP/level, MR, MR page, thought I'd be against Riven the one time I faced a Ryze since creating the page so I had AD/armour/MR/armour instead), ask for your jungler to come, and get whatever farm you can while building BotRK. Revert the Warden's Mail changes too, if you don't plan on building Tabi Cloth is useless now, people were crying mid because "cloth would be sold later, nuuuuuu" and got Seeker's, but facing physical champions and early lane bullies is way more frequent in the off lane. >> | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On April 12 2014 04:04 Alzadar wrote: It's just bad in general that Cloth is so limited in builds. It's literally just Tabi, Glacial, Armguard, Thornmail, right? ya idk why they switched warden's mail to chain vest... | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:46 Alaric wrote: I've been scratching my head over how Jax is supposed to "beat Ryze" (said a Ryze who killed me 5 times in lane, giving me 2 kills when he was dumb and either fought without his heal while I had ignite, or staying low to push "one more wave" as I came back, and still only had a ~20 cs lead... they eventually lost the game because they were terrible, we didn't win it tho), but I just can't find. You're supposed to basically zone yourself at level 1 because there's no way you'll get any cs without taking a Q and at least 2-3 autos, even more if you naively try to stay in range of multiple minions to finish them all. Even once the wave is under tower, Ryze can easily harass you with Qs while you last hit (and autos while you last hit ranged minions) and you're going to miss a bunch of farm if he's smart and doesn't shove. Sure, once you get sustain and level 6 you may be able to win all-ins (although you can't trade at all because his cooldowns are way shorter than your Q and E) but by then you should be at such a huge cs disadvantage, and possibly exp since he always backs first and possibly has TP, that he should still be way ahead of you. Can't possibly try to all-in and manfight him either because you'll draw minion aggro while he won't, you need some ramp up on your passive while he's ranged, and his Q has a shorter cooldown than any of your spells at levels 1-3. Add to that that he can start sapphire+2 and he'll wreck you. So, yeah, I guess a flask start would be the best (since it's more EHP than NMM+2 and dblade+pot is nowhere near enough), with a dedicated runepage to withstand the harass (got an AD, HP/level, MR, MR page, thought I'd be against Riven the one time I faced a Ryze since creating the page so I had AD/armour/MR/armour instead), ask for your jungler to come, and get whatever farm you can while building BotRK. Revert the Warden's Mail changes too, if you don't plan on building Tabi Cloth is useless now, people were crying mid because "cloth would be sold later, nuuuuuu" and got Seeker's, but facing physical champions and early lane bullies is way more frequent in the off lane. >> any lane beats ryze by getting a single gank from jungler on him, thats why he can be quite effective in solo q. if you have a jungler that is of the belief "top should never be ganked" then have fun vs ryze. if you have a competent jungler that knows how ryze works he will kill him for you and then you just repeatedly kill him since when ryze gets behind he just gets constantly killed. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 12 2014 04:06 IMoperator wrote: ya idk why they switched warden's mail to chain vest... Probably because people were like "wahh if i get chainvest I have to go for sunfire!!111". | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 12 2014 04:06 IMoperator wrote: ya idk why they switched warden's mail to chain vest... Well before this change, chain vest had Glacial, Thornmail, GA, Sunfire. Cloth had Tabi, Warden's, Armguard, Thornmail. Three out of four of Cloth's buildpaths were very regularly used, whereas chain vest's build path was dominated by Sunfire. (GA & Thornmail are situational late game choices so they were rare-er than the others, while Glacial is virtually unbuilt since Gauntlet and FH suck). Granted, armguard is a bit of a outlier/decieving in the sense that it serves a very different function/role than the other items. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On April 12 2014 01:40 wei2coolman wrote: must mean Riot's balance department has done their job. Nerf all current top laners til Ryze and Irelia are good again. Riot has come full circle (for like 30th time), and now has to proceed to nerf Irelia and Ryze to irrelevance. The cycle of life and death continues. We will live; they will die. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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aurawashere
Canada454 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On April 12 2014 05:10 aurawashere wrote: playing vs ryze as jax just start flask/3pot i dont know why he'd be raping you at level 1 sure you'll eat a q+auto but any more autos you just turn on him and pop counterstrike. with flask/pots you'll out sustain his mana pool then once level 3 comes all you have to do is jump on him with counterstrike and you keep doing so. then go into dblades>cutlass and you win pretty easily until he finishes fh which takes a long ass time Counterstrike level 1 against Ryze? How is that going to work exactly? Flash to stun?  Like of course he's not going to right click you until you're dead... but for every CS you will eat Overload+auto which is ~140 damage, it's not pretty. | ||
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aurawashere
Canada454 Posts
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