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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 18 2014 07:05 GMT
#2021
On April 18 2014 12:28 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 12:24 Disengaged wrote:
On April 18 2014 11:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 18 2014 09:54 Sufficiency wrote:
Holy shit guys.+ Show Spoiler +


Let's talk about this instead of Liandry's. Fuck that item it's a nub trap anyway.

who's mustache better? dis guy or draven? need mustache competition imo.


Its the League of Draven for a reason though

Did I walk into reddit?


Why is that a thing on reddit?

I don't waste my time on reddit so I wouldn't know.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 18 2014 07:46 GMT
#2022
On April 18 2014 14:59 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 14:56 krndandaman wrote:
On April 18 2014 14:21 cLutZ wrote:
Its really amazing that any of the Generation 1 players are still in the LCS, to be honest.


to be equally honest though, there isn't that much fresh blood either.
for me personally, I have a hard time believing that the new generation is far above and beyond the skill of their predecessors.

back in starcraft I could clearly see that Flash/Jaedong were much better than say Boxer/iloveoov in the past but I'm not so sure for league. granted, the time span for a generation in bw was much larger than the one we're looking at here, but still.

You also have to compare the difference in mechanics/understanding of the game then too.

Boxer/oov were the flash/jaedong of their day simply because they were kings of the current way the game was played/on the cutting edge.

i dont feel like something like that can really exist in league tbh

it's called faker.
liftlift > tsm
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
April 18 2014 08:17 GMT
#2023
On April 18 2014 15:03 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 14:59 arb wrote:
On April 18 2014 14:56 krndandaman wrote:
On April 18 2014 14:21 cLutZ wrote:
Its really amazing that any of the Generation 1 players are still in the LCS, to be honest.


to be equally honest though, there isn't that much fresh blood either.
for me personally, I have a hard time believing that the new generation is far above and beyond the skill of their predecessors.

back in starcraft I could clearly see that Flash/Jaedong were much better than say Boxer/iloveoov in the past but I'm not so sure for league. granted, the time span for a generation in bw was much larger than the one we're looking at here, but still.

You also have to compare the difference in mechanics/understanding of the game then too.

Boxer/oov were the flash/jaedong of their day simply because they were kings of the current way the game was played/on the cutting edge.

i dont feel like something like that can really exist in league tbh


true. since it's a team game the difference in individual skill is much harder to gauge than bw and league doesn't particularly see a influx of new players every season (especially those that develop and stay). SKT1 K was my hope to hopefully push the boundaries of league and become somewhat of a "team bonjwa" in league but that seems to have crashed as of now.


I don't know if that's possible at all because League is inherently going to create many more "Boxer" than "Flash/Jaedong" due to its ever-changing game balance. There is always stopping new to abuse so by the time one player perfects a certain playstyle or champ, it might be on its way to becoming obsolete. People called Misaya the TF "god" but he is now largely irrelevant even in his own region simply because his champs fell out of favor when the meta shifted. The same thing happened to Dade, and most of EG + Alliance. Just imagine how screwed Flash or Jaedong would be if BW release a balance patch every month.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 18 2014 08:28 GMT
#2024
On April 18 2014 17:17 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 15:03 krndandaman wrote:
On April 18 2014 14:59 arb wrote:
On April 18 2014 14:56 krndandaman wrote:
On April 18 2014 14:21 cLutZ wrote:
Its really amazing that any of the Generation 1 players are still in the LCS, to be honest.


to be equally honest though, there isn't that much fresh blood either.
for me personally, I have a hard time believing that the new generation is far above and beyond the skill of their predecessors.

back in starcraft I could clearly see that Flash/Jaedong were much better than say Boxer/iloveoov in the past but I'm not so sure for league. granted, the time span for a generation in bw was much larger than the one we're looking at here, but still.

You also have to compare the difference in mechanics/understanding of the game then too.

Boxer/oov were the flash/jaedong of their day simply because they were kings of the current way the game was played/on the cutting edge.

i dont feel like something like that can really exist in league tbh


true. since it's a team game the difference in individual skill is much harder to gauge than bw and league doesn't particularly see a influx of new players every season (especially those that develop and stay). SKT1 K was my hope to hopefully push the boundaries of league and become somewhat of a "team bonjwa" in league but that seems to have crashed as of now.


I don't know if that's possible at all because League is inherently going to create many more "Boxer" than "Flash/Jaedong" due to its ever-changing game balance. There is always stopping new to abuse so by the time one player perfects a certain playstyle or champ, it might be on its way to becoming obsolete. People called Misaya the TF "god" but he is now largely irrelevant even in his own region simply because his champs fell out of favor when the meta shifted. The same thing happened to Dade, and most of EG + Alliance. Just imagine how screwed Flash or Jaedong would be if BW release a balance patch every month.


Basically, LoL is much harder than BW. ZOMG!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-18 08:46:44
April 18 2014 08:44 GMT
#2025
Misaya is retired though?

Anyways, I think faker is a good example. Even when SKT are losing horribly, faker is playing really well. You just cant carry your team every game at the highest level of competition.

And even then, there are some examples of SKT losing every lane and then Faker pulls some totally insane moves and turns the game around. I can't remember who they were against, but he did it on Riven a while back.

Due to the nature of a team game, you can't have a dominant team unless the majority of the team is playing really good, so I doubt we'll see "bonjwa teams" (SKT are the only one coming close to it, imo, and even they are showing to have weakspots nowadays)


On the topic of Misaya and Faker, I really liked Faker's TF in the third game vs ozone. <3 TF
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 18 2014 08:50 GMT
#2026
On April 18 2014 10:52 killerdog wrote:
So patch next tuesday.

I guess the big stuff is twitch VU, skt skin stuff, and feral flare nerf?

PBE seems to be feral flare at 30 camps rather then 25, dunno how much that'll help though.

Is there anywhere where you can see all the pbe changes at once? The PBE thread is a week or two behind (unless they haven't released many changes since then.)

Here.
These Kassadin and Rumble buffs look really huge (Kass' shield is fucking dumb, you receive it when you cast, not when Q hits), while Twitch is heavily nerfed. T_T

On April 18 2014 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fucking love that accent.
Dat Eastern Europe. Made me buy Viktor and now I buy him, aahh?

Not like you'll play anyway. Y'all left us!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-18 09:05:48
April 18 2014 09:04 GMT
#2027
Contempt for the Weak
Bonus damage changed to 6 / 8 / 10 % from 10% at all ranks. This isn't yet functional - merely a tooltip update.


?! why?

and LOL those LeeSin nerfs :DDD
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 18 2014 09:13 GMT
#2028
On April 18 2014 18:04 739 wrote:
Contempt for the Weak
Bonus damage changed to 6 / 8 / 10 % from 10% at all ranks. This isn't yet functional - merely a tooltip update.


?! why?

and LOL those LeeSin nerfs :DDD


Aren't those Lee Sin changes all old stuff that they scrapped?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-18 09:31:40
April 18 2014 09:16 GMT
#2029
No idea but it seems like he's early game got nerfed. At least to me, because I'm a bad theorycrafter.

Dat Torch item looks good. Also Hextech sweeper good for stealth crap like Akali.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 18 2014 10:03 GMT
#2030
On April 18 2014 15:44 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Well, only very recently has there really been a good system for fresh blood to work it's way into the established scene

Not really? Back in S1/S2 you just participated in online tournaments and if you were good enough then you either qualified or were invited to high-roller tournaments. Nowadays you have 2 SE tournaments over 3 months and if you place high enough, then you get one chance to play a good team, and if you fail then you have to wait another 5 months for next opportunity. The LCS/NACS may be a good system for these teams financially, but I don't think it breeds talent as good as OGN/NLB or an open tournament circuit.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
April 18 2014 10:23 GMT
#2031
@sufficiency

So I was thinking about the blue side advantage and I think i have another potential explanation. The default UI has the map on the bottom right side of the screen. Blue side players will primarily be looking to the right side of their screen as they move/act and so will have an easier time seeing and responding to the minimap.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
April 18 2014 10:25 GMT
#2032
I have my minimap changed on the opposite side, because of the DotA2.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 18 2014 11:22 GMT
#2033
On April 18 2014 19:25 739 wrote:
I have my minimap changed on the opposite side, because of the DotA2.

Even after ages of playing broodwar i still cant get used to my map on the other side >_>
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 18 2014 11:24 GMT
#2034
Swipe and Pounce now go off in the direction of the cursor.

i feel like i may be able to try Nidalee with those fixes even if shes worthless.
Those being like the only abilities that worked the way they did was beyond fucking frustrating
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
April 18 2014 11:25 GMT
#2035
On April 18 2014 20:22 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 19:25 739 wrote:
I have my minimap changed on the opposite side, because of the DotA2.

Even after ages of playing broodwar i still cant get used to my map on the other side >_>

You know You can change the map display on the right/left side to suit your preferences in settings, right?
Because I've changed myself.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
April 18 2014 11:27 GMT
#2036
On April 18 2014 20:25 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 20:22 arb wrote:
On April 18 2014 19:25 739 wrote:
I have my minimap changed on the opposite side, because of the DotA2.

Even after ages of playing broodwar i still cant get used to my map on the other side >_>

You know You can change the map display on the right/left side to suit your preferences in settings, right?
Because I've changed myself.

Yes but i cant get used to it in league so i leave it as the default lol
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
April 18 2014 11:30 GMT
#2037
I had the problems with looking at the minimap once I've switched from DotA2 and my good friend told me that it is possible to change map display. Day = saved.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 18 2014 12:29 GMT
#2038
On April 18 2014 14:56 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 14:21 cLutZ wrote:
Its really amazing that any of the Generation 1 players are still in the LCS, to be honest.


to be equally honest though, there isn't that much fresh blood either.
for me personally, I have a hard time believing that the new generation is far above and beyond the skill of their predecessors.

back in starcraft I could clearly see that Flash/Jaedong were much better than say Boxer/iloveoov in the past but I'm not so sure for league. granted, the time span for a generation in bw was much larger than the one we're looking at here, but still.


In Korea it is already becoming like that. Players like Arrow, Kakao, Faker and Flame are quickly replacing G1 players like Woong, CloudTemplar, Rapidstar, and Reapered. The only teams that still have a lot of their original players were teams that came together later and were basically made up of a bunch of high school kids with "potential".
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 18 2014 16:12 GMT
#2039
On April 18 2014 19:23 Goumindong wrote:
@sufficiency

So I was thinking about the blue side advantage and I think i have another potential explanation. The default UI has the map on the bottom right side of the screen. Blue side players will primarily be looking to the right side of their screen as they move/act and so will have an easier time seeing and responding to the minimap.


That's interesting. Does that mean if you are (say) bronze, you will be less impacted by the blue side advantage?

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 18 2014 16:15 GMT
#2040
Do people really find it THAT hard to just move the damn screen?That makes 0 sense.
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