Just throwing ideas around, lol.

I don't have the technology to check this tho. So far I don't have data on leagues. I am building a new miner with database support right now, but I don't think I'll finish it in a week.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

April 18 2014 16:33 GMT

#2042

I'm not sure that that would be indicative of lower league players having a smaller blue side advantage anyway. If it's more difficult to watch the minimap that might mean lower league players have a bigger blue side advantage, there's no real way to tell.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

April 18 2014 16:35 GMT

#2043

You could compare the relative advantage of blue side in games where Baron is and isn't taken. One of the prime ideas for why blue side has an advantage is the superior terrain approaching Baron, and if this is true, you'd expect blue side to have a smaller relative advantage in games where Baron is not taken before the game ends.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

April 18 2014 16:36 GMT

#2044

Is it possible to data mine that?

Even if it was, it'd be hard for that to be conclusive, because even in games where baron is never taken you can't prove that the teams didn't try to take it / fight over it.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

April 18 2014 16:39 GMT

#2045

No.

But I remember one post floating around reddit a while ago saying blue side wins 60%+ of the time if the game is short (under 20 minutes or something like that). Comparably, currently we are fairly sure blue side wins 55% of the time over all.

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

April 18 2014 16:41 GMT

#2046

Pretty sure you should be aligning your minimap based on your eye dominance.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

April 18 2014 16:48 GMT

#2047

On April 19 2014 01:35 TheYango wrote:
You could compare the relative advantage of blue side in games where Baron is and isn't taken. One of the prime ideas for why blue side has an advantage is the superior terrain approaching Baron, and if this is true, you'd expect blue side to have a smaller relative advantage in games where Baron is not taken before the game ends.

I doubt that has any bearing on solo queue where any of the bushes are really equally good to camp, and baron is basically only taken in sneaks, when you see 2+ enemies bot, or following near aces/aces.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

April 18 2014 16:50 GMT

#2048

On April 19 2014 01:48 cLutZ wrote:
and baron is basically only taken in sneaks, when you see 2+ enemies bot, or following near aces/aces.

Good thing you wrote "taken" and not "attempted", 'cause, y'know, soloQ...

Gahlo

United States35170 Posts

April 18 2014 17:10 GMT

#2049

On April 19 2014 01:12 Sufficiency wrote:

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That's interesting. Does that mean if you are (say) bronze, you will be less impacted by the blue side advantage?

It's the camera angle that really fucks over purple, the UI doesn't help it either.

justiceknight

Singapore5741 Posts

April 18 2014 17:15 GMT

#2050

http://www.gamersbook.com/News/Article/ID/785/First-League-of-Legends-College-Opened-In-China

who wanna apply for LoL school ?

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

April 18 2014 17:26 GMT

#2051

Welp, it took me 241 games to get back to where I was at the end of season 3. I'm salty

In a slightly less subtle brag, I am 14 and 2 with Lux this week. Hooray.

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

April 18 2014 17:27 GMT

#2052

The UI is on the bottom. The game is set up diagonally from bottom left to top right. This means that if you are coming from top right, you have less visibility on your opponent than if you are coming from bottom left. For me personally, this is a huge disadvantage in bot lane especially.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

April 18 2014 17:32 GMT

#2053

On April 19 2014 02:27 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The UI is on the bottom. The game is set up diagonally from bottom left to top right. This means that if you are coming from top right, you have less visibility on your opponent than if you are coming from bottom left. For me personally, this is a huge disadvantage in bot lane especially.

Technically, it's only a disadvantage since the game centers in the true middle of the screen. If it centered, say, several inches upwards, it would be slightly different.

Gahlo

United States35170 Posts

April 18 2014 17:40 GMT

#2054

On April 19 2014 02:32 Requizen wrote:

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Technically, it's only a disadvantage since the game centers in the true middle of the screen. If it centered, say, several inches upwards, it would be slightly different.

Except it doesn't.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

April 18 2014 18:03 GMT

#2055

side imbalance isn't necessarily a bad thing. so long as both sides have reasonable claim to victory and map isn't inhibiting that.

i actually blame the industry's standard of 16: 9 ratio for this shitty ui issue.

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

April 18 2014 18:14 GMT

#2056

Typing 16: 9 on TL is a pain in the ass.

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

April 18 2014 19:09 GMT

#2057

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Requizen

United States33802 Posts

April 18 2014 19:10 GMT

#2058

On April 19 2014 04:09 krndandaman wrote:

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On April 18 2014 17:28 Sufficiency wrote:

On April 18 2014 17:17 AsianEcksDragon wrote:

On April 18 2014 15:03 krndandaman wrote:

On April 18 2014 14:59 arb wrote:

On April 18 2014 14:56 krndandaman wrote:

On April 18 2014 14:21 cLutZ wrote:
Its really amazing that any of the Generation 1 players are still in the LCS, to be honest.

to be equally honest though, there isn't that much fresh blood either.
for me personally, I have a hard time believing that the new generation is far above and beyond the skill of their predecessors.

back in starcraft I could clearly see that Flash/Jaedong were much better than say Boxer/iloveoov in the past but I'm not so sure for league. granted, the time span for a generation in bw was much larger than the one we're looking at here, but still.

You also have to compare the difference in mechanics/understanding of the game then too.

Boxer/oov were the flash/jaedong of their day simply because they were kings of the current way the game was played/on the cutting edge.

i dont feel like something like that can really exist in league tbh

true. since it's a team game the difference in individual skill is much harder to gauge than bw and league doesn't particularly see a influx of new players every season (especially those that develop and stay). SKT1 K was my hope to hopefully push the boundaries of league and become somewhat of a "team bonjwa" in league but that seems to have crashed as of now.

I don't know if that's possible at all because League is inherently going to create many more "Boxer" than "Flash/Jaedong" due to its ever-changing game balance. There is always stopping new to abuse so by the time one player perfects a certain playstyle or champ, it might be on its way to becoming obsolete. People called Misaya the TF "god" but he is now largely irrelevant even in his own region simply because his champs fell out of favor when the meta shifted. The same thing happened to Dade, and most of EG + Alliance. Just imagine how screwed Flash or Jaedong would be if BW release a balance patch every month.

Basically, LoL is much harder than BW. ZOMG!

even as someone who loves LoL, BW is the greatest and most difficult game I've ever played.
league is actually quite easy comparatively.

That's the joke.