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Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
April 19 2014 03:49 GMT
#2081
On April 19 2014 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
I just really had a moment watching EU LCS about Elise is: even with jungle itemization being pretty mediocre for her for like 5 patches now, she still is good. The resiliency is amazing. Im not sure whether I should be proud of Riot, or angry because I dont find her fun to play.


I feel the same about Lee Sin.....since 2011....
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 19 2014 04:02 GMT
#2082
On April 19 2014 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
I just really had a moment watching EU LCS about Elise is: even with jungle itemization being pretty mediocre for her for like 5 patches now, she still is good. The resiliency is amazing. Im not sure whether I should be proud of Riot, or angry because I dont find her fun to play.



It's the kit. Kinda the same with Lee Sin and also sorta the same with Thresh (nerfs, nerfs, nerfs, still picked 50% of time).
hi
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 19 2014 04:18 GMT
#2083
I think Elise is pretty fun to play. Really high skill cap, but you can make a big difference if you are good.

What I don't like about her is that she is still played too often competitively, thus subject to competitive-targetted nerfs that are totally unfair for a regular player.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 19 2014 04:20 GMT
#2084
How's that unfair? If a champion has a high skill cap, then they need to be balanced towards the upper tier of that skill cap.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 04:37:23
April 19 2014 04:37 GMT
#2085
On April 19 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:
How's that unfair? If a champion has a high skill cap, then they need to be balanced towards the upper tier of that skill cap.


You are joking right?

The best example is Olaf (pre-rework) - he got gutted because he was deemed way too good for competitive play due to his versatility and safety, even though he never performed that well in soloQ, in all skill levels.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 19 2014 04:40 GMT
#2086
On April 19 2014 13:02 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 12:35 cLutZ wrote:
I just really had a moment watching EU LCS about Elise is: even with jungle itemization being pretty mediocre for her for like 5 patches now, she still is good. The resiliency is amazing. Im not sure whether I should be proud of Riot, or angry because I dont find her fun to play.



It's the kit. Kinda the same with Lee Sin and also sorta the same with Thresh (nerfs, nerfs, nerfs, still picked 50% of time).


Well, Thresh and Lee get nerfed, but they still have itemization options that aren't totally inferior. Thresh is good with Talisman or Targon, Lee Sin could utilize the SOTLE era. Elise still builds Golem or Wraith when every other jungler was taking advantage of other OP items.

Its like if Ryze was an OP mid for 12 months of patches in spite of eating several nerfs himself and tear/ROA becoming irrelevant and totally outclassed because of buffs to Athenes and Rylias.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 19 2014 04:45 GMT
#2087
I just played with this certain player who I shall not name in a ranked game. In lobby, he kept saying that he does not do adc or support because he does not own any adc/support champion.

Here's his fucking lolking stats.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I swear he must be a socialpath or something.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 19 2014 04:46 GMT
#2088
On April 19 2014 13:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:
How's that unfair? If a champion has a high skill cap, then they need to be balanced towards the upper tier of that skill cap.


You are joking right?

The best example is Olaf (pre-rework) - he got gutted because he was deemed way too good for competitive play due to his versatility and safety, even though he never performed that well in soloQ, in all skill levels.


But that was in an era of warmog's armor being heavily OP and having literal meat-walls to tank for you.
hi
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 19 2014 04:50 GMT
#2089
On April 19 2014 13:46 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 13:37 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 19 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:
How's that unfair? If a champion has a high skill cap, then they need to be balanced towards the upper tier of that skill cap.


You are joking right?

The best example is Olaf (pre-rework) - he got gutted because he was deemed way too good for competitive play due to his versatility and safety, even though he never performed that well in soloQ, in all skill levels.


But that was in an era of warmog's armor being heavily OP and having literal meat-walls to tank for you.


In S3, he had the Morgana syndrome - not overwhelmingly good, but extremely safe and versatile in competitive environment due to his ranged, AOE damage Q that is effective in 1v2. But these things were not that useful in soloQ.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 19 2014 05:02 GMT
#2090
On April 19 2014 13:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:
How's that unfair? If a champion has a high skill cap, then they need to be balanced towards the upper tier of that skill cap.


You are joking right?

The best example is Olaf (pre-rework) - he got gutted because he was deemed way too good for competitive play due to his versatility and safety, even though he never performed that well in soloQ, in all skill levels.


How is that relevant...? Obviously Riot made a mistake in that case. Everyone acknowledges that. That has nothing to do with balancing champions for the upper tier of skill level.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
April 19 2014 05:04 GMT
#2091
does anyone know how accurate op.gg is for mmr? I've won 7 games in a row and it still says im below what i should be for my division
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
April 19 2014 05:09 GMT
#2092
On April 19 2014 13:45 Sufficiency wrote:
I just played with this certain player who I shall not name in a ranked game. In lobby, he kept saying that he does not do adc or support because he does not own any adc/support champion.

Here's his fucking lolking stats.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I swear he must be a socialpath or something.


He is a sociopath for telling one very shitty/easily disproven lie?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 19 2014 05:18 GMT
#2093
On April 19 2014 13:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 13:46 Sponkz wrote:
On April 19 2014 13:37 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 19 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:
How's that unfair? If a champion has a high skill cap, then they need to be balanced towards the upper tier of that skill cap.


You are joking right?

The best example is Olaf (pre-rework) - he got gutted because he was deemed way too good for competitive play due to his versatility and safety, even though he never performed that well in soloQ, in all skill levels.


But that was in an era of warmog's armor being heavily OP and having literal meat-walls to tank for you.


In S3, he had the Morgana syndrome - not overwhelmingly good, but extremely safe and versatile in competitive environment due to his ranged, AOE damage Q that is effective in 1v2. But these things were not that useful in soloQ.


You are really going to justify what this "morgana syndrome" is. She was a beast in S2 soloqueue, and does basically the same things in Pro/Soloqueue now as a support in S4.
Freeeeeeedom
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 19 2014 05:20 GMT
#2094
the guy doesnt want to go bot lane
cant force him
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 05:30:43
April 19 2014 05:26 GMT
#2095
This sucks. I got dc'ed from a game and I can't connect to it. Is this the infamous dc hack? QQ.

[image loading]

EDIT2: yep, game disappeared. *cough* Riot.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 19 2014 05:35 GMT
#2096
On April 19 2014 13:45 Sufficiency wrote:
I just played with this certain player who I shall not name in a ranked game. In lobby, he kept saying that he does not do adc or support because he does not own any adc/support champion.

Here's his fucking lolking stats.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I swear he must be a socialpath or something.

shouldn't you be happy? he looks like a shitty adc.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 19 2014 05:40 GMT
#2097
On April 19 2014 14:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 13:45 Sufficiency wrote:
I just played with this certain player who I shall not name in a ranked game. In lobby, he kept saying that he does not do adc or support because he does not own any adc/support champion.

Here's his fucking lolking stats.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I swear he must be a socialpath or something.

shouldn't you be happy? he looks like a shitty adc.


He actually did pretty well that game as Caitlyn. I ganked him once, but generally he carried on his own.

In that game, I also missed a penta kill. I had a quadra, but the time between my 4th and 5th kill was 11 seconds, and somehow Riot decided it was not a penta.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
April 19 2014 05:56 GMT
#2098
On April 19 2014 12:10 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 10:26 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the advantage has to do with camera angles, really. The location of the UI may play a role, but I think it's minor.

I feel like if thats the case then in Starcraft anyone who spawns on the top part of the map should win less than people who spawn on the bottom part shouldnt it?
since ya know the UI is in the way and all.

At least in SC2, the minimap is honest about the shitty camera angel by giving you a warped trapezoid of what the camera shows. League gives you a lie of a rectangle.
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
April 19 2014 06:01 GMT
#2099
On April 19 2014 14:26 Sufficiency wrote:
This sucks. I got dc'ed from a game and I can't connect to it. Is this the infamous dc hack? QQ.

[image loading]

EDIT2: yep, game disappeared. *cough* Riot.


just got the same thing. Is that what it is?
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
April 19 2014 06:06 GMT
#2100
On April 19 2014 15:01 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 14:26 Sufficiency wrote:
This sucks. I got dc'ed from a game and I can't connect to it. Is this the infamous dc hack? QQ.

[image loading]

EDIT2: yep, game disappeared. *cough* Riot.


just got the same thing. Is that what it is?

Yup, either gamewide or targeted.
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