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On March 25 2014 05:33 lefty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Khazix is actually one of the most interesting champs Riot ever released (outside of W faceroll phase) and I like him a lot. Of course he is. He had everything you want in a champion; strong 1v1 duel, wave clear(before W nerf), insane mobility, CC in his slow, stealth, reset mechanic, and even has a small heal, all of this rolled in to one package. The only mistake the designer made was making him use mana. Khazix and Rengar are probably the two stupidest champions in terms of just design, and rendered so many champions obsolete. They're fun to play though.
Think Thresh is way worse design than Khazix.
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I always forget Kha's heal. Why does he even have that? It doesn't make sense thematically or balance wise. Might be the strangest tacked-on extra skill in the game.
When Thresh's numbers are in the right place I think he's a very healthy champion. He's able to make big plays without overlapping the roles of Sona/Leona/Blitzcrank.
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On March 25 2014 05:37 Alzadar wrote:
I always forget Kha's heal. Why does he even have that? It doesn't make sense thematically or balance wise. Might be the strangest tacked-on extra skill in the game.
The heal is limited in that you have to be right on top of what you shoot with his W to get it. It's meant mainly so he can live in the jungle longer, as he has 0 "jungle" abilities otherwise.
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On March 25 2014 05:33 lefty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Khazix is actually one of the most interesting champs Riot ever released (outside of W faceroll phase) and I like him a lot. Of course he is. He had everything you want in a champion; strong 1v1 duel, wave clear(before W nerf), insane mobility, CC in his slow, stealth, reset mechanic, and even has a small heal, all of this rolled in to one package. The only mistake the designer made was making him use mana. Khazix and Rengar are probably the two stupidest champions in terms of just design, and rendered so many champions obsolete. They're fun to play though.
Except now he doesn't have wave clear, he has multiple playstyles based around evolving different abilities, has clearly defined weaknesses and strengths, no hard CC, and are you seriously throwing the heal out as something that pushes him over the edge into OP?
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I actually agree with Cheep that I think that Khazix is one of the cooler champion designs now that evolves are actually something you can put some thought into and not "You must evolve W because after that you don't have to interact with the enemy laner for the rest of the game"
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Only thing that bugs me about Kha'Zix is his unseen threat lasts until he uses it. He's just sitting in lane, farming away in full view of my champ for the last 80 seconds. I see him, he isn't unseen. It should run out after a certain amount of time of him being observed. Also leap should only be half cooldown on assists.
My $1.30
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When Kha'Zix was released Riot designed him to be a toplane assassin, and back in the days, you could only go toplane if you had sustain, this is why he has a heal i think
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Khazix I think is in a good spot now. He's still really dumb but the kit design is good.
Rengar on the other hand had a stupid kit on release and they've been trying to work around it rather than just going for the rework. I still don't like ferocity as a mechanic because he gets rewarded for using skills as much as possible.
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On March 25 2014 06:00 SagaZ wrote:
When Kha'Zix was released Riot designed him to be a toplane assassin, and back in the days, you could only go toplane if you had sustain, this is why he has a heal i think
I thought he was designed as a jungler like rango but people (Read soaz) decided he'd be better top. Then S3 rolled around and realised that muramana + W evolve = free pentakills and kha became a mid.
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On March 25 2014 06:00 SagaZ wrote:
When Kha'Zix was released Riot designed him to be a toplane assassin, and back in the days, you could only go toplane if you had sustain, this is why he has a heal i think
But....you buy flask if you want sustain? Are you denying the wisdom of the great God?
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On March 25 2014 05:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 05:33 lefty wrote:On March 25 2014 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Khazix is actually one of the most interesting champs Riot ever released (outside of W faceroll phase) and I like him a lot. Of course he is. He had everything you want in a champion; strong 1v1 duel, wave clear(before W nerf), insane mobility, CC in his slow, stealth, reset mechanic, and even has a small heal, all of this rolled in to one package. The only mistake the designer made was making him use mana. Khazix and Rengar are probably the two stupidest champions in terms of just design, and rendered so many champions obsolete. They're fun to play though. Except now he doesn't have wave clear, he has multiple playstyles based around evolving different abilities, has clearly defined weaknesses and strengths, no hard CC, and are you seriously throwing the heal out as something that pushes him over the edge into OP?
He still has wave clear if you go Hydra and many people still do, but he no longer has a stupid AOE waveclear from 700 range anymore.
No where did I say that the heal "pushed him over the edge in to OP". It's just one of the many things part of his kit that I am baffled by. I say that he is a stupid champion because he has everything relative to other champions. Oh did I mention his damage reduction, and no collision in his kit as well? It's stupid. When you have everything, of course he is "interesting" with many different play styles.
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On March 25 2014 06:03 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:00 SagaZ wrote:
When Kha'Zix was released Riot designed him to be a toplane assassin, and back in the days, you could only go toplane if you had sustain, this is why he has a heal i think But....you buy flask if you want sustain? Are you denying the wisdom of the great God?
Pls if we're talking release, 9 pots, bead let's go sustain until the world ends.
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On March 25 2014 06:04 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:03 Zergneedsfood wrote:On March 25 2014 06:00 SagaZ wrote:
When Kha'Zix was released Riot designed him to be a toplane assassin, and back in the days, you could only go toplane if you had sustain, this is why he has a heal i think But....you buy flask if you want sustain? Are you denying the wisdom of the great God? Pls if we're talking release, 9 pots, bead let's go sustain until the world ends.
God that period was dumb as fuck. You literally had to go 9 pots 2 wards if you didn't want to run into someone else with 9 pots and 2 wards who laughed in your face as he tanked creeps forever.
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It is rather hilarious how Riot actively nerfs whatever starting items become popular. Going so far as to invalidate certain items just because of that. Hello flask
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On March 25 2014 05:53 Ketara wrote:
I actually agree with Cheep that I think that Khazix is one of the cooler champion designs now that evolves are actually something you can put some thought into and not "You must evolve W because after that you don't have to interact with the enemy laner for the rest of the game"
That'd have been a waste. It was "nuke the whole wave with W without losing your passive, then jump the enemy laner because you have wave advantage and automatic isolation thanks to the oneshot".
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On March 25 2014 06:04 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:03 Zergneedsfood wrote:On March 25 2014 06:00 SagaZ wrote:
When Kha'Zix was released Riot designed him to be a toplane assassin, and back in the days, you could only go toplane if you had sustain, this is why he has a heal i think But....you buy flask if you want sustain? Are you denying the wisdom of the great God? Pls if we're talking release, 9 pots, bead let's go sustain until the world ends.
Oh my god I remember that. So dumb.
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As a Viktor player it was absurdly sad to get crushed in match-ups you used to pressure a bunch just because you ran oom trying to leverage your level 3/5 advantage.
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On March 25 2014 06:02 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 06:00 SagaZ wrote:
When Kha'Zix was released Riot designed him to be a toplane assassin, and back in the days, you could only go toplane if you had sustain, this is why he has a heal i think I thought he was designed as a jungler like rango but people (Read soaz) decided he'd be better top. Then S3 rolled around and realised that muramana + W evolve = free pentakills and kha became a mid.
pretty sure at that time junglers were tanky stuff like jarvan or maokai oracles bots with gp5
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On March 25 2014 06:03 lefty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 05:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 25 2014 05:33 lefty wrote:On March 25 2014 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Khazix is actually one of the most interesting champs Riot ever released (outside of W faceroll phase) and I like him a lot. Of course he is. He had everything you want in a champion; strong 1v1 duel, wave clear(before W nerf), insane mobility, CC in his slow, stealth, reset mechanic, and even has a small heal, all of this rolled in to one package. The only mistake the designer made was making him use mana. Khazix and Rengar are probably the two stupidest champions in terms of just design, and rendered so many champions obsolete. They're fun to play though. Except now he doesn't have wave clear, he has multiple playstyles based around evolving different abilities, has clearly defined weaknesses and strengths, no hard CC, and are you seriously throwing the heal out as something that pushes him over the edge into OP? He still has wave clear if you go Hydra and many people still do, but he no longer has a stupid AOE waveclear from 700 range anymore. No where did I say that the heal "pushed him over the edge in to OP". It's just one of the many things part of his kit that I am baffled by. I say that he is a stupid champion because he has everything relative to other champions. Oh did I mention his damage reduction, and no collision in his kit as well? It's stupid. When you have everything, of course he is "interesting" with many different play styles.
to be honest his heal is just a jungle thing, pretty sure its really really rare you ever get any use out of it besides on creeps or something. being point blank like that is kinda iffy for someone as squishy as bug imo
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