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kongoline
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
He will, almost without a doubt at this point, get nerfed, and it will be asinine, just like many other decisions made by Riot's balance team. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I don't play this champion, the pros (including in Korea) play him a lot. But they are wrong and I am right. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:20 Sufficiency wrote: My name is Sufficiency. I like posting. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
In other words, I think it's really difficult to draw meaningful conclusions from pro play to determine what you should do in solo queue. You see all sorts of bad/allegedly "situational" builds and champion picks determined more by personal comfort level than overall team synergy. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Yeah, this is all you can do anyway. Not 100% why you are even here, because: 1. You don't really translate anything for us. 2. You only spit poison on this forum. Tons of people here can translate Chinese into English and frankly I don't think we need you. | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:22 GrandInquisitor wrote: To follow up on Cheep's disdain for pro players, I never understood why no one picked Kayle during the Zed heyday, and then a couple months ago, well after Zed fell out of favor, she was suddenly deemed unbelievably OP (even though she had never been buffed). Late in S3, announcers were practically begging teams to pick Kayle, but team after team passed on her in favor of someone else. In other words, I think it's really difficult to draw meaningful conclusions from pro play to determine what you should do in solo queue. You see all sorts of bad/allegedly "situational" builds and champion picks determined more by personal comfort level than overall team synergy. If you take a look at picks in OGN over a season, I think it's somewhat revealing, you just have to control for factors including the ones you listd (comfort picks) as well as stuff like patches that occur in the middle of the tournament, specific thought processes behind picks (not always available unfortunately), etc., all of which are more important than the actual number that you see. I mean it's like real life lol, statistics are important you just have to put them in context and realize their limitations. But for some reason people on this forum like to think of everything in absolutes and think you can model the game with Excel or something. It's silly, however, to hold up LCS or NA solo queue pick rates/win rates as something that's as revealing as OGN statistics. The difference in play is clearly there despite what apologists say, so there's that. I respect pro players in their ability to play the game (usually), but we have had many instances of players making outrageous statements about balance or the meta only to 180 a week later. Again, not all players are subject to this, but it has happened enough to throw doubt on the validity of LCS players' statements in general. If their analysts and the people who actually make their strategies say something, I'd be inclined to give it more weight than someone like Doublelift saying "Sivir is useless" before completely 180ing into "Sivir is my favorite AD" lol. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:22 GrandInquisitor wrote: To follow up on Cheep's disdain for pro players, I never understood why no one picked Kayle during the Zed heyday, and then a couple months ago, well after Zed fell out of favor, she was suddenly deemed unbelievably OP (even though she had never been buffed). Late in S3, announcers were practically begging teams to pick Kayle, but team after team passed on her in favor of someone else. In other words, I think it's really difficult to draw meaningful conclusions from pro play to determine what you should do in solo queue. You see all sorts of bad/allegedly "situational" builds and champion picks determined more by personal comfort level than overall team synergy. SoloQ is not organized, plus the vast majority of players are not challenger level... so it is very difficult to draw any conclusions regarding champion strength from professional play to soloQ. | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:24 Sufficiency wrote: Yeah, this is all you can do anyway. Not 100% why you are even here, because: 1. You don't really translate anything for us. 2. You only spit poison on this forum. Tons of people here can translate Chinese into English and frankly I don't think we need you. If we're going to talk about quality of post we can start with this cancer here: On March 25 2014 06:54 kongoline wrote: can u be more biased? khazix is beyond broken right now pretty much every pro player said that after IEM but no its better to hate and whine on lee sin l0l | ||
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
You clear pretty fast if you grab AP runes, and your countergank and counterinitiate are pretty brutal. Unfortunately, you're still Maokai. I'm a terrible jungler for not learning the bug, but oh well. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:44 ticklishmusic wrote: I've been trying out jungle Mao as a counterpick to Kha6. It kinda works, though I think part of it is people not knowing how to play against him. You clear pretty fast if you grab AP runes, and your countergank and counterinitiate are pretty brutal. Unfortunately, you're still Maokai. I'm a terrible jungler for not learning the bug, but oh well. I think in soloQ Mummy/Pony/Pig are the better choices anyway, especially after the K6 E nerfs. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:44 ticklishmusic wrote: I've been trying out jungle Mao as a counterpick to Kha6. It kinda works, though I think part of it is people not knowing how to play against him. You clear pretty fast if you grab AP runes, and your countergank and counterinitiate are pretty brutal. Unfortunately, you're still Maokai. I'm a terrible jungler for not learning the bug, but oh well. I feel like the only reason Maokai isnt viable is because assassin jungles are really the strongest atm, utility/support jungles arent in favor, especially since you have all tanks coming out of toplane, not enough room for another one on your team | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:39 xes wrote: If we're going to talk about quality of post we can start with this cancer here:  I'd like a TLGD LR thread | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:44 GettingIt wrote: All this talk about Kha'zix being op when one can simply end him with Rammus. I love the moose but the current jungle and meta isn't exactly welcoming to him. On March 25 2014 07:50 arb wrote: I feel like the only reason Maokai isnt viable is because assassin jungles are really the strongest atm, utility/support jungles arent in favor, especially since you have all tanks coming out of toplane, not enough room for another one on your team On paper his ult makes him good against assassins though (at least burst-oriented assassins, stuff like Kha'Zix or Zed with good enough dps to follow-up if the combo doesn't kill still require more peel from your team), the kiting/peeling comp are way more annoying for him (because the cd is too high for him to relocate it in fights, kinda like Swain, and unlike Anivia or Ziggs) while AoE burst and assassins' increase his value. | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
say it outloud your french accent does the rest | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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