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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote: I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time... In lane its not bad, but E is really good harass since it scales with her range now. Plus after 6 and when objectives start going down you cant leap in and expect to kill things unless they're super super low since you'll die. It's mostly a repositioning tool and slow after lane, but maxing it before Q leaves you without your godmode steroid and with a much weaker skill that resets anyways | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On March 25 2014 00:51 nafta wrote: Dont go ie first on any adc ever.On trist you get 2 points on e and then max q unless it is some weird situation in which your supp has no clear and you are vs cait/karma or something like that you can max e.Just go bork if you wanna win lane into w/e you choose or bt if you just wanna farm. If you are really bad at farming, you can always go for zeal in-between bf and IE. Tristana needs IE more than BT if you go even, BT is only good if you snowball. The core of BT/PD/LW is considerably worse for Tristana late-game, because of her massive range (703 @ 18). The idea is that you shred 1-2 people before your Q runs out and then use multiple resets on W to close the gap of the remaining people and that's so much easier to achieve with IE/PD/LW because of aforementioned range (why would you really need BT for 5v5 team-fights?). | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 25 2014 01:00 Sponkz wrote: If you are really bad at farming, you can always go for zeal in-between bf and IE. Tristana needs IE more than BT if you go even, BT is only good if you snowball. The core of BT/PD/LW is considerably worse for Tristana late-game, because of her massive range (703 @ 18). The idea is that you shred 1-2 people before your Q runs out and then use multiple resets on W to close the gap of the remaining people. Ie is useless without other items that is the problem. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote: I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time... People haven't done that since Barrier was put into SR. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote: I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time... Buffs to E damage and range make it more flexible and nearly as powerful in the all-in (+40 dmg/lvl instead of +45 dmg/lvl, but +25 dmg per explosion and can be used before the all-in). | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On March 25 2014 01:01 nafta wrote: Ie is useless without other items that is the problem. How is IE useless, when you have a champion with an AS steroid? You really forgot how much 1 crit with IE is compared to any other ad's AA with BT? On March 25 2014 01:01 Alzadar wrote: In theory IE is great but it just feels so bad to be 30 minutes into a game with no significant lifesteal. Buffs to E damage and range make it more flexible and nearly as powerful in the all-in (+40 dmg/lvl instead of +45 dmg/lvl, but +25 dmg per explosion and can be used before the all-in). You shouldn't be needing lifesteal at 30 minutes, unless you like to jump into the enemy team or do really ballsy things (and hell if you're doing ballsy things then you're probably snowballing, in even games where you 5v5, IE outscales BT hard) | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 24 2014 08:46 YouGotNothin wrote: Due to the advent of Heimer mid, I was looking for a decent counter pick and decided on Vlad (Ziggs was banned). He actually does pretty well, you can kill his turrets quite easy with Q+AA or Q+E while also gaining life. Also being able to easily pool any of his ulted abilities is quite nice. Veigar dumps on heimer. You have enough range to kill him out of his turrets. Can one shot his turrets with w or a at most points in the game. Snowball hard and into other lanes. Additionally veigar is one of the few champions which does not care about Zhonya (so long as he can't get it off while you have an r in the air) so heimers standard first buy is not strong in lane. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 25 2014 01:33 kongoline wrote: IE first makes that next damage items scales much harder and she can be slightly more relevant during mid game, not sure about surviving laning phase without life steal tho Why not vamp to shiv to IE? You don't have your q maxed early anyway. Shiv scales early due to its bonus damage proc. it makes clearing waves with e super fast. It provides everything trist wants in a first or second item and because she doesn't have any ad scaling she isn't as hampered by the lack of a BT. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 25 2014 01:03 Sponkz wrote: How is IE useless, when you have a champion with an AS steroid? You really forgot how much 1 crit with IE is compared to any other ad's AA with BT? You shouldn't be needing lifesteal at 30 minutes, unless you like to jump into the enemy team or do really ballsy things (and hell if you're doing ballsy things then you're probably snowballing, in even games where you 5v5, IE outscales BT hard) It is useless because ie is not a good item unless you have other items for it.Also you will need a vamp in lane unless it is some weird situation in which you have a free lane for no reason. | ||
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IMoperator
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On March 25 2014 01:44 nafta wrote: It is useless because ie is not a good item unless you have other items for it.Also you will need a vamp in lane unless it is some weird situation in which you have a free lane for no reason. Build path would be Dblade -> Vamp -> Zerkers -> BF -> Zeal/IE -> Finish IE/Finish PD -> LW -> Defensive item | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 25 2014 01:44 nafta wrote: It is useless because ie is not a good item unless you have other items for it.Also you will need a vamp in lane unless it is some weird situation in which you have a free lane for no reason. Ok so you go BT then shiv then LW then IE and you're left with no LW or IE (pick one) at your crucial 3 item timing. Since you have no physical damage abilities and no ad scaling you damage is actually kinds bad. You've traded a weak mid game in trist for a weak late game | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 25 2014 01:48 IMoperator wrote: yo didnt riot make it so you dont do promos if your mmr is higher than your division? Do you think i'll skip promos and go straight to plat 2 on my smurf? http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=lmq tc mio you skip a division but not promos, you always have to do those. i've heard of people coming up 1 game in promos randomly but never heard of anyone skipping them completely. You will most likely go to plat 3, considering your mmr is lower than mine but closer to the plat 3 average(2000~) | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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