He's actually pretty meh if you can set him behind early, yeah, because he still doesn't jungle that fast (although faster than before). You won't do that 1v1 unless you're Lee or Elise obviously.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

March 20 2014 21:14 GMT

#743

On March 21 2014 05:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
We need RiotKetara to explain how this is a brilliant change.

Yeah no, that Grand Skyfall range nerf looks like some Olaf level BS to me.

Especially if you look at it from a mid/top Panth perspective.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

March 20 2014 21:16 GMT

#744

On March 21 2014 06:09 onlywonderboy wrote:

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Yeah, I know it's their MO but it's just been really been bothering me with the Jungle recently. Maybe it's just more blatant, idk.

The issue is jungle in general now has a far bigger impact in the game (what riot wanted). But now they're misattributing the problem with current rotation of champion in jungle pool, with "oh these champions are out of line", when in reality it's the role in general being really strong, not the champion pool. If they were just willing to buff ADC's, it would make junglers as a role overall to be a slightly weaker force in the game.

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

March 20 2014 21:17 GMT

#745

please show on patch notes where it says removing channel to compensate
you are all being too hopeful hahahaha

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

March 20 2014 21:18 GMT

#746

Remember when Atrioc made that awesome Panth guide and said "The best thing about Pantheon is he's hipster and will never be nerfed!"

Sad day.

AsmodeusXI

United States15536 Posts

March 20 2014 21:21 GMT

#747

On March 21 2014 06:18 Ketara wrote:
Remember when Atrioc made that awesome Panth guide and said "The best thing about Pantheon is he's hipster and will never be nerfed!"

Sad day.

That's right! We KNOW who needs to be blamed for this. Thanks for making Pantheon popular Atrioc. THANKS A LOT.

Zess

Adun Toridas!9144 Posts

March 20 2014 21:23 GMT

#748

Once all the single-target junglers have been nerfed into Olaf-tier, jungle GP will actually be a thing and they'll have to nerf his ult too.

Then the only thing left will be AoE clears and Riot will have to rebalance camp monster HP values until each camp is just a single large monster and only Warwick can clear without dying.

#thedream

IMoperator

4476 Posts

March 20 2014 21:25 GMT

#749

if you ignore someone will you not get matched up with them in solo queue?

Alzadar

Canada5009 Posts

March 20 2014 21:26 GMT

#750

On March 21 2014 06:25 IMoperator wrote:
if you ignore someone will you not get matched up with them in solo queue?

No.

Otherwise all Challenger players ignore WildTurtle.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

March 20 2014 21:28 GMT

#751

Riot did the same thing with the jungle at the start of season 3. They killed a fotm jungler just about every patch for some time.

It's a little expectable. Giant sweeping changes don't come to the lanes in a season patch the way they do in the jungle, and it's not surprising that when a season patch hits suddenly the balance level of jungle champions is wildly different.

Not to excuse the Pantheon change, which does look like quite the Olaf-ing, but more that it's not very surprising to see it happen. It's just upsetting.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

March 20 2014 21:33 GMT

#752

I'm still not sure which is more hilarious, the Lee Sin changes that were mentioned or this PBE Panth change.

IMoperator

4476 Posts

March 20 2014 21:35 GMT

#753

why does riot slaughter certain champs but then leave some perfectly fine? aka wukong

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

March 20 2014 21:37 GMT

#754

On March 21 2014 06:35 IMoperator wrote:
why does riot slaughter certain champs but then leave some perfectly fine? aka wukong

Because they're perfectly fine.

InfSunday

United States735 Posts

March 20 2014 21:38 GMT

#755

On March 21 2014 06:28 Ketara wrote:
Riot did the same thing with the jungle at the start of season 3. They killed a fotm jungler just about every patch for some time.

Admittedly some of those changes were needed, though. Like when Nunu was must-ban because consume did about double the damage of smite at early levels and he just ran around stealing all your camps.

But yeah, these Lee and Panth changes seem like they're going in entirely the wrong direction.

Yezzus

United States2318 Posts

March 20 2014 21:41 GMT

#756

Wow they butchered panth ...., kinda over did it imo

Taktik

Poland680 Posts

March 20 2014 21:45 GMT

#757

Yeah Pantheons ult got Nocturne'd~(PBE) I think its kinda sad that these global and pseudo global ults are getting nerfed and nerfed again. It made some champions more unique and some games more exciting. Meanwhile champion like Gangplank who got real global ult are not getting changed~ Just Nocturne his ult too and rework his E for gods sake~.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

March 20 2014 21:49 GMT

#758

On March 21 2014 06:37 wei2coolman wrote:

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Because they're perfectly fine.

I mean, I thought he was a little on the strong side and now that's going to be confounded with the Lee, Elise, and Panth nerfs.

Yezzus

United States2318 Posts

March 20 2014 21:49 GMT

#759

To be fair does Gp ult even do damage? I stay in it when an enemy gp ultd
Lol

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

March 20 2014 21:51 GMT

#760

GP ult is dumb and needs to have the RNG taken away.

GP is one of my favorite champion concepts and has all sorts of reasons that make something that is potentially super cool awful in practice. He's one that I think actually does need a rework.