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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
if nasus has tons of cdr and udyr has trinity, the phage proc from a drive by bear stance makes it really easy to catch but you have the added versatility of switching targets olaf being able to run past cc is the advantage he has for being less tanky than most tank champs. it's not about "specifying the reality of the game we're talking about" or whatever you said. If your argument can't explain why small number tweaks change everything then you have no argument. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On February 09 2014 05:06 Slayer91 wrote: Which proves nothing. warwick was total garbage according to most people before darien picked him but Warwick is total garbage. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:03 Slayer91 wrote: Catching up to a withered target is less difficult that catching up to a target when you're buffed with bear, but not that much. if nasus has tons of cdr and udyr has trinity, the phage proc from a drive by bear stance makes it really easy to catch but you have the added versatility of switching targets olaf being able to run past cc is the advantage he has for being less tanky than most tank champs. it's not about "specifying the reality of the game we're talking about" or whatever you said. If your argument can't explain why small number tweaks change everything then you have no argument. The whole debate started from.. On February 09 2014 03:28 Slayer91 wrote: can you back up anything you just said or can it be completely disregarded? So no, I don't need to give #s because the whole discussion is premised on either current patch or the near future, where no changes on the PBE for either champion, nor have I seen anything from Riot saying they intend to look at either in the near future. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Trundle and Warwick were both considered garbage. Slayer's right. Trundle is strong in competitive, but SoloQ? Lol. What is he right about exactly? Give me one reason why Warwick is a more viable pick then any other top lane atm, except having no gap closer, being able to kite easily as fuck, have low damage. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:12 Thinasy wrote: Trundle is strong in competitive, but SoloQ? Lol. Trundle isn't relegated to the "poke comp disengager or bust" mindset. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:12 Thinasy wrote: Trundle is strong in competitive, but SoloQ? Lol. Trundle must be the first champion that is considered viable in competitive play, but useless in solo queue LOL. Can you even hear how dumb it sounds? | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:14 Sponkz wrote: Trundle must be the first champion that is considered viable in competitive play, but useless in solo queue LOL. Can you even hear how dumb it sounds? No it isnt dumb, he's useless in teamfights if your team is bad at fighting, while a renekton/shyvana can just dive and do whatever they want. But reading alot of the opinions in this part of TL is just "sigh", the only part of TL where people actually doesnt play the game or is trash at it. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:12 Thinasy wrote: Trundle is strong in competitive, but SoloQ? Lol. What is he right about exactly? Give me one reason why Warwick is a more viable pick then any other top lane atm, except having no gap closer, being able to kite easily as fuck, have low damage. Um... he counters most of them? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:12 Thinasy wrote: Trundle is strong in competitive, but SoloQ? Lol. What is he right about exactly? Give me one reason why Warwick is a more viable pick then any other top lane atm, except having no gap closer, being able to kite easily as fuck, have low damage. Because he can hold is own in top lane against the megatanks without being punked for his lunch money. In teamfights you either cc him off your carry or they most likely die because nobody buys QSS in soloq. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
Yes cause laning phase is the ONLY part of the game, kkthx | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:17 Thinasy wrote: No it isnt dumb, he's useless in teamfights if your team is bad at fighting, while a renekton/shyvana can just dive and do whatever they want. But reading alot of the opinions in this part of TL is just "sigh", the only part of TL where people actually doesnt play the game or is trash at it. Honestly it sounds like you're just playing with bads and generalizing your experience to every level of solo queue. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:17 Thinasy wrote: No it isnt dumb, he's useless in teamfights if your team is bad at fighting, while a renekton/shyvana can just dive and do whatever they want. But reading alot of the opinions in this part of TL is just "sigh", the only part of TL where people actually doesnt play the game or is trash at it. Excuse me? Slayer has been diamond since S1, ZERG_RUSSIAN is a rather respectable player who achieved diamond in season 1 aswell. Now who the fuck are you? You think, you can come into this forum and start bashing some of the people who are regarded some of the highest quality posters and just get away with it? You're out shittin' real bad here bro. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:18 Thinasy wrote: Yes cause laning phase is the ONLY part of the game, kkthx Lane phase is probably the most important part of the game to determine champion viability. Nobody is very useful if they are by default super behind. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:17 Thinasy wrote: But reading alot of the opinions in this part of TL is just "sigh", the only part of TL where people actually doesnt play the game or is trash at it. Troll confirmed, those guys you're arguing with are all 10 times better than you Get good baby | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 09 2014 06:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Also you do realize that you're talking to a challenger, two diamonds, and a platinum from last season, right? The only person that is arguing with him that is trash is me. XD | ||
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