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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 00:59:14
February 08 2014 00:58 GMT
#4141
On February 08 2014 09:50 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 09:45 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 08 2014 09:18 chalice wrote:
On February 08 2014 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:
I think this really depends on if Mundo has Frozen Heart or not.

not sure if i'm biased against your posts, but even drunk i think this is retarded.


Frozen Heart is incredibly strong against ADCs, not sure if you are serious.

jesus...
Randuin's, Thornmail. What the hell does Mundo need with mana and CDR?


CDR is incredibly important on Mundo. His cleaver does a lot of damage and its his only CC (he has no gapclosers beyond his R). The AOE attack speed aura (accordingly) stacks with Raduins, so you will be taking very little damage.

The mana is totally wasted. It's unfortunate. So obviously this is not a 1st item for him, instead it should be a 5th or 6th item. Depending on how you calculate this, the 400 mana is worth around 300-800g.

Randiun's and Thornmail only provide so much armor. Depending on the other team you should definitely consider building a third armor item.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 08 2014 01:00 GMT
#4142
On February 08 2014 09:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 09:50 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 08 2014 09:45 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 08 2014 09:18 chalice wrote:
On February 08 2014 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:
I think this really depends on if Mundo has Frozen Heart or not.

not sure if i'm biased against your posts, but even drunk i think this is retarded.


Frozen Heart is incredibly strong against ADCs, not sure if you are serious.

jesus...
Randuin's, Thornmail. What the hell does Mundo need with mana and CDR?


CDR is incredibly important on Mundo. His cleaver does a lot of damage and its his only CC (he has no gapclosers beyond his R). The AOE attack speed aura (accordingly) stacks with Raduins, so you will be taking very little damage.

The mana is totally wasted. It's unfortunate. So obviously this is not a 1st item for him, instead it should be a 5th or 6th item. Depending on how you calculate this, the 400 mana is worth around 300-800g.

Lol.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
February 08 2014 01:02 GMT
#4143
I mean CDR is a decent stat on mundo, you guys are way too critical, it's not an item you often see but its sub optimal not terrible.
aka Teutonica
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 08 2014 01:05 GMT
#4144
On February 08 2014 10:02 Slayer91 wrote:
I mean CDR is a decent stat on mundo, you guys are way too critical, it's not an item you often see but its sub optimal not terrible.

Obiously it isn't THAT bad but it is definitely not worth to get.Like even if enemy team have no ap still not worth to get.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
February 08 2014 01:06 GMT
#4145
it's probably bad against kog maw because his % hp is magic damage so getting it other banshees or w/e probably wouldn't make sense cause they probably have an AP mid at least and AP Damage support and possibly jungler
aka Teutonica
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 08 2014 01:08 GMT
#4146
On February 08 2014 10:06 Slayer91 wrote:
it's probably bad against kog maw because his % hp is magic damage so getting it other banshees or w/e probably wouldn't make sense cause they probably have an AP mid at least and AP Damage support and possibly jungler


We are still talking about Kog Maw? No wonder the good people want a Diamond thread
Freeeeeeedom
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 08 2014 01:09 GMT
#4147
On February 08 2014 09:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 09:50 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 08 2014 09:45 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 08 2014 09:18 chalice wrote:
On February 08 2014 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:
I think this really depends on if Mundo has Frozen Heart or not.

not sure if i'm biased against your posts, but even drunk i think this is retarded.


Frozen Heart is incredibly strong against ADCs, not sure if you are serious.

jesus...
Randuin's, Thornmail. What the hell does Mundo need with mana and CDR?


CDR is incredibly important on Mundo. His cleaver does a lot of damage and its his only CC (he has no gapclosers beyond his R). The AOE attack speed aura (accordingly) stacks with Raduins, so you will be taking very little damage.

The mana is totally wasted. It's unfortunate. So obviously this is not a 1st item for him, instead it should be a 5th or 6th item. Depending on how you calculate this, the 400 mana is worth around 300-800g.

Randiun's and Thornmail only provide so much armor. Depending on the other team you should definitely consider building a third armor item.

Randuin's, Sunfire, Thornmail, Warmog's. I'd get all of these before FH. CDR is very much a secondary stat for Mundo who benefits off 1-2 skills. Compare FH on a champion like Olaf. It's not even close.

Slayer is being too kind here. Unless you are somehow playing against a 5 AD comp in solo q, FH on Mundo is simply too fringe of a situation to consider.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 08 2014 01:11 GMT
#4148
On February 08 2014 09:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 09:18 chalice wrote:
On February 08 2014 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:
I think this really depends on if Mundo has Frozen Heart or not.

not sure if i'm biased against your posts, but even drunk i think this is retarded.


Frozen Heart is incredibly strong against ADCs, not sure if you are serious.

damn son you gotta heed the tropic thunder at least once in your life
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 08 2014 01:12 GMT
#4149
On February 08 2014 10:05 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 10:02 Slayer91 wrote:
I mean CDR is a decent stat on mundo, you guys are way too critical, it's not an item you often see but its sub optimal not terrible.

Obiously it isn't THAT bad but it is definitely not worth to get.Like even if enemy team have no ap still not worth to get.


Well it depends. If the AP champion on the other team is an assassin, he might prefer to attack someone who is not Mundo (with R and Spirit Visage).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 01:15:28
February 08 2014 01:12 GMT
#4150
The thing is sufficiency asked a question as if buying frozen heart was a good idea and people are far too eager to jump in when they know they're right and shit on someone who isn't when it doesn't lead to valuable discussion, and although there's lots of reasons you shouldn't get it on mundo, it's not a landslide victory for other items, and what's the breakeven champ that its worth getting it on?

for example at 6 items with perma red pot it may be worth selling sunfire for frozen heart against a maxed out adc.
cleaver scales off max hp and cleaver CC becomes stronger lategame when everyone has so much damage slowing someone can ensure a death.

im all for laughing when people are wrong but i'd do it in a chatroom or private messages when you are just having fun instead of shitting up this forum with pointless posts
after all that's my job
aka Teutonica
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
February 08 2014 01:15 GMT
#4151
Frozen Heart would be a good item on Mundo against a team of autoattackers who have no source of magic dps or true damage and a low amount of up front physical spell burst

So maybe the Tryndamere/Draven(?)/Xin/Aatrox/Nocturne/Sivir/Graves(?)/Yasuo(?) dream team of Bronze V Legends
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 08 2014 01:16 GMT
#4152
On February 08 2014 10:12 Slayer91 wrote:
The thing is sufficiency asked a question as if buying frozen heart was a good idea and people are far too eager to jump in when they know they're right and shit on someone who isn't when it doesn't lead to valuable discussion, and although there's lots of reasons you shouldn't get it on mundo, it's not a landslide victory for other items, and what's the breakeven champ that its worth getting it on?

for example at 6 items with perma red pot it may be worth selling sunfire for frozen heart against a maxed out adc.
cleaver scales off max hp and cleaver CC becomes stronger lategame when everyone has so much damage slowing someone can ensure a death.


Well, I think my problem is that I forgot Sunfire Cape. If I factor that in I think I need to sell my Sunfire to justify the FH slot. However, this:


On February 08 2014 09:18 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:
I think this really depends on if Mundo has Frozen Heart or not.

not sure if i'm biased against your posts, but even drunk i think this is retarded.


is really insulting. Let's just put it like that.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 01:22:53
February 08 2014 01:18 GMT
#4153
LOL, that was a golden post though
you can almost feel the drunken thought process and self-questioning ("I shouldn't drive.. wait I shouldn't listen to me! I'm drunk!")
you should be glad though, there are 2 types of guys that other guys wont call retarded
1: guys who can smack the shit out of them
2: actual mentally retarded people

of course, if you are part of the second group, I'd first ask chalice to apologize and secondly note that nobody would be surprised

+ Show Spoiler +

my post got continually darker after every edit LOL
aka Teutonica
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
February 08 2014 01:21 GMT
#4154
Tabi Warmogs Warmogs Randuins Thornmail Frozen Heart


The Mundo Dream Team Build of Legends
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chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
February 08 2014 01:26 GMT
#4155
On February 08 2014 09:35 Yezzus wrote:
Making Corki's Q a projectile is the dumbest shit ive ever seen. He will never be played again competitvely. I wanted to buy Baron corki during legacy but they made him so shit I had to pass it up

ok i agree with this wholeheartedly, swimming in that serve rp and mained corki before the changes i had the red baron sale date marked on my calendar, but doing this AND gutting his ult at the same time is basically just deleting him from the game. i mean how do you nerf all this stuff and then not even let him itemize for CDR for a big fuck you cherry on top.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 08 2014 01:29 GMT
#4156
Correct me if I am wrong, is Corki's Q as "instant" as Flash or does it have a small casting animation?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
February 08 2014 01:29 GMT
#4157
So I tried Jungle Kayle because some people mentioned it in here. Jungle Kayle is disgusting once she gets rolling. She sneezes and the camps fall down.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 08 2014 01:31 GMT
#4158
On February 08 2014 10:29 zer0das wrote:
So I tried Jungle Kayle because some people mentioned it in here. Jungle Kayle is disgusting once she gets rolling. She sneezes and the camps fall down.


For better or worse, her Q is getting nerfed.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 08 2014 01:33 GMT
#4159
On February 08 2014 10:29 zer0das wrote:
So I tried Jungle Kayle because some people mentioned it in here. Jungle Kayle is disgusting once she gets rolling. She sneezes and the camps fall down.

Now imagine her with farm and items.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
February 08 2014 01:39 GMT
#4160
On February 08 2014 10:29 Sufficiency wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, is Corki's Q as "instant" as Flash or does it have a small casting animation?

i feel like it's as instant as a heimer grenade now, im not sure that this is a coincidence, i feel like riot made a decision that they could either keep triforce or corki as a viable thing and they chose triforce.
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