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zer0das
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cLutZ
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 08 2014 10:29 Sufficiency wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, is Corki's Q as "instant" as Flash or does it have a small casting animation? It was, with a range only slightly worse than his autoattacks, so he could walk up to you and autoQ in lane for insta-outtrades. 'cept it's not sufficiently interactive so let's make it a skillshot with cast time and travel time, in exchange we can lower the mana cost if you want. Of course they did it while totally ignoring Corki's power curve and the way he fit into teamcomps and power timings, ruining his strong laning and midgame burst (along with all the ult nerfs he ate), thus removing every reason for picking him since his range and somewhat low reach post-ult nerfs) make him vulnerable and not that damagey late game. I've been able to rush Triforce on Jax even in match-ups like Renekton (start dshield, then dblade, then phage, boots+sheen, finish triforce, truck fools), then Randuin's or Warmogs, Banshee, etc. I'm not sure if I'm doing better at playing defensively or it's just that even for my trash leftovers from scrub-plat days Silver III is ridiculously easy. People pushing so hard def. helps me farm tho, and junglers are less subtle about coming for me. Also screw damage, build Olaf Sunfire-Banshee-Warmogs/Randuin's and don't kill anyone but at least stay alive and keep them out seems like the best course of action. Edit: Angler Jax PAX Jax Jaximus Vandal Jax The Might Jax Temple Jax Nemesis Throw Classic somewhere in there, I'd say about at the same place as Vandal/Jaximus. Nemesis isn't even a choice to consider, it's for the sake of exhaustivity. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I gather the main idea is that kayle is broken and scip sucks ass in mid. He might tell you different though. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 08 2014 10:48 Slayer91 wrote: Scips been jungling kayle a lot recently I gather the main idea is that kayle is broken and scip sucks ass in mid. He might tell you different though. She suits his style a lot.Benefits from both buffs and gets strong with afk farming and does it fast.What more could you wish for? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
he's pretty middle of the line but he does sometimes tax early on or tax+push later | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On February 08 2014 10:46 Alaric wrote: It was, with a range only slightly worse than his autoattacks, so he could walk up to you and autoQ in lane for insta-outtrades. 'cept it's not sufficiently interactive so let's make it a skillshot with cast time and travel time, in exchange we can lower the mana cost if you want. Of course they did it while totally ignoring Corki's power curve and the way he fit into teamcomps and power timings, ruining his strong laning and midgame burst (along with all the ult nerfs he ate), thus removing every reason for picking him since his range and somewhat low reach post-ult nerfs) make him vulnerable and not that damagey late game. I've been able to rush Triforce on Jax even in match-ups like Renekton (start dshield, then dblade, then phage, boots+sheen, finish triforce, truck fools), then Randuin's or Warmogs, Banshee, etc. I'm not sure if I'm doing better at playing defensively or it's just that even for my trash leftovers from scrub-plat days Silver III is ridiculously easy. People pushing so hard def. helps me farm tho, and junglers are less subtle about coming for me. Also screw damage, build Olaf Sunfire-Banshee-Warmogs/Randuin's and don't kill anyone but at least stay alive and keep them out seems like the best course of action. Edit: Angler Jax PAX Jax Jaximus Vandal Jax The Might Jax Temple Jax Nemesis Throw Classic somewhere in there, I'd say about at the same place as Vandal/Jaximus. Nemesis isn't even a choice to consider, it's for the sake of exhaustivity. You forgot how Corki used to have True Damage crits on his passive, so they forced him into a niche that they now dislike. Also, thats what I thought, my Angler will save my wallet from Mighty. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On February 08 2014 10:29 Sufficiency wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, is Corki's Q as "instant" as Flash or does it have a small casting animation? now? it's a projectile | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 08 2014 10:51 Slayer91 wrote: scips style is afk farming? wat he's pretty middle of the line but he does sometimes tax early on or tax+push later Well maybe my opinion outdated.But he never really tried weird gank paths or focused much on camping/ganking A LOT.Which isn't really that viable now I guess. But yeah after this nightblue guy started streaming I guess if you don't go smite cannon creeps from your laners and take every single buff you aren't a farm focused jungler. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 08 2014 10:58 nafta wrote: Well maybe my opinion outdated.But he never really tried weird gank paths or focused much on camping/ganking A LOT.Which isn't really that viable now I guess. But yeah after this nightblue guy started streaming I guess if you don't go smite cannon creeps from your laners and take every single buff you aren't a farm focused jungler. there isnt many weird gank paths, from behind ganks warding hasnt changed that much, trinkets only last a minute and supports are buying less wards to compensate and sweeping trinkets/permanent pinks are good for protecting the most obvious gank paths from wards. he isn't really gank heavy but gank heavy relies on opponents being gank prone and not gettinf counterganked so naturally the better you get the more you have to pick and choose your times thats why i said middle of the line taking every buff and smiting cannons is over the top farm style just like over the top gank style you see in solo queue if you're going to smite a cannon its fine i do it often if im pushing a wave but i dont take every blue but often i take some etc. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 08 2014 11:02 Slayer91 wrote: there isnt many weird gank paths, from behind ganks warding hasnt changed that much, trinkets only last a minute and supports are buying less wards to compensate and sweeping trinkets/permanent pinks are good for protecting the most obvious gank paths from wards. he isn't really gank heavy but gank heavy relies on opponents being gank prone and not gettinf counterganked so naturally the better you get the more you have to pick and choose your times thats why i said middle of the line taking every buff and smiting cannons is over the top farm style just like over the top gank style you see in solo queue if you're going to smite a cannon its fine i do it often if im pushing a wave but i dont take every blue but often i take some etc. Yeah pretty inaccurate on my part. Not really talking about smiting cannon when pushing wave.Talking about shit like literally passing by and smiting minions from lane lol.Like maybe just random coincidence but a lot of junglers do this where they cover every lane after laner dies,dont gank and take every buff and then complain team is bad lol.Can only assume it is because of popular streamer. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Teemo is a dumb champ. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On February 08 2014 10:39 chalice wrote: i feel like it's as instant as a heimer grenade now, im not sure that this is a coincidence, i feel like riot made a decision that they could either keep triforce or corki as a viable thing and they chose triforce. i feel like riot made the decision to make corki complete and utter shit. His laning sucks since you get outharassed 'cause of your low range plus your Q is pretty easy to dodge and has crap damage compared to other AD carry nukes. On top of that, he lost a shitton of dps due to the repeated ult nerfs, the most severe was the nerf to rocket spam cd from 1.2 to 2 seconds. It's incredibly clunky now. Prior to the nerf, Corki could win or at least break even with any lane once he hits 6 due to rocket spam. Now he is shit until he gets Triforce, BT and several levels. Corki lategame is ok since his true damage passive is neat, but he still suffers from relatively low range with minimal utility. On February 08 2014 12:18 Sufficiency wrote: What is GD's opinion on Udyr jungle? I am considering him because I need another low IP jungler for my smurf to play... I think he's fun, but kinda meh. He doesn't gank as hard as Lee/Elise/Pantheon/Vi, doesn't carry as hard as Kha, and doesn't have as much utility as Lee/Elise/Vi. It's kinda like Shyvana jungle - it works, you can farm up a lot, but not quite enough to reach super carry status. Nor can you snowball since your ganks are lastluster. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On February 08 2014 12:18 Sufficiency wrote: What is GD's opinion on Udyr jungle? I am considering him because I need another low IP jungler for my smurf to play... I'd pick Nasus + Amumu + Cho as low IP junglers at Udyrs cost. Otherwise you could just save the 3k and get Olaf for a never-banned, always good jungler who does most of Udyr's things better. And Nunu is basically free. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 08 2014 13:39 phyvo wrote: Forgive me if I'm a little behind on things but why did vulcun change their name to XDG? They wanted a name that is "chantable", if you will. Now that it's chantable but no one bothers to chant it because, you know, lane swap. | ||
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