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clickrush
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Yezzus
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22679 Posts
On January 27 2014 02:05 Yezzus wrote: Do you guys see a Lucian or Jinx nerf in the near future? Id expect a Jinx nerf (I would target here minigun aspd boost) but otherwise I dont see why Lucian needs a nerf. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 27 2014 02:05 clickrush wrote: Yasuo is the most overrated champion currently. There is literally 1 thing he is good at: laneing. And even if he wins the lane he is very bad at punishing safe farming without forcing fights in the jungle or ganking with CC assist. Other AD assassins burst higher with less items. Yasuos teamfights are below average. the shield is situationally strong and his ult is decent but the lack of poke, waveclear, cc, tankyness, burst make him extremly teamreliant. So far I haven't seen a Yasuo do well except from snowballing a strong lanephase against someone who overextended against him. Yasuo is very good at getting carried by a strong dive combo though and gets high numbers from that. His soloq success is also clear to me: lanephase overextend by his opponents. strong laners are overvalued in soloq because soloq is more psychology/lanedependand. see ziggs and teemo who are mainly strong and anoying laners as well. You are wrong; he is also really good at splitpushing. No champions can kill him 1v1 with equal farm (except maybe Tryndamere) | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On January 27 2014 01:59 Gorsameth wrote: The enemy has an ADC. Therefor his W can be effective. You need someone to combo with him. Pick a Vi who is a normal pick anyway. I fail to see the problem. Esp the first comment sounds really wierd to me. The whole point of drafting is to get a team with synergy... Won't try to defend Darien's W post but... Sure, you draft a team that synergizes well together. However Yasuo requires you devote a pick to help him out. The other team snipes Vi? Now you're forced to run a Malphite or Janna or Nami or another champion that can get counter picked. Most of the fotm champs are ones that fit into any team comp like Shyvana or Lucian. Yasuo forces you to draft according to his needs, so yes, it is a more risky pick than say Orianna mid. Of course right now on live he's pretty strong but after inevitable nerfs... | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On January 27 2014 02:12 Sufficiency wrote: You are wrong; he is also really good at splitpushing. No champions can kill him 1v1 with equal farm (except maybe Tryndamere) Trynd can kill any1 late game with 6 items exept maybe nasus | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On January 27 2014 02:12 Sufficiency wrote: You are wrong; he is also really good at splitpushing. No champions can kill him 1v1 with equal farm (except maybe Tryndamere) I haven't really thought of Yasuo as having a strong lane phase, from what I've seen his lane phase seems pretty weak pre 6. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22679 Posts
On January 27 2014 02:12 overt wrote: Won't try to defend Darien's W post but... Sure, you draft a team that synergizes well together. However Yasuo requires you devote a pick to help him out. The other team snipes Vi? Now you're forced to run a Malphite or Janna or Nami or another champion that can get counter picked. Most of the fotm champs are ones that fit into any team comp like Shyvana or Lucian. Yasuo forces you to draft according to his needs, so yes, it is a more risky pick than say Orianna mid. Of course right now on live he's pretty strong but after inevitable nerfs... Yes he is more 'risky' then Orianna. The safest mid laner in the game.... Trundlr, Shyvana, Tresh, Nami, Gragas, Riven, Lee, ect ect. Dont pretend like the number of viable combo's is small | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 26 2014 20:00 Amui wrote: So what do people think of yasuo now that he's been out for a while. When he was released, I thought his kit was bonkers even if his numbers were undertuned. QoL buffs and R giving full shield were the few changes he had. Went from ~35% on release day to todays 53ish which has gradually trended upwards as time passed by. IMO his shield needs to be toned down a bit. It's quite a bit too high right now. On January 27 2014 00:59 overt wrote: 5% crit is legit. I've even seen Koreans run them. While Yasuo is strong and needs nerfs I don't believe he's as OP as people think. Riot should nerf his passive and remove some of the damage from early game E and he'd be fine. From my games (which are non-pro) the problem is that his laning is oppressive to be against, even if its not that strong. Unless I am playing Orianna I feel like he dictates the lane. Its because he has strong trading (Passive, High Damage, + windwall to get away), Strong all-ins (same), and strong anti-poke (dashes + passive + windwall). Only like, a sustained-poke champ can dictate the lane to him, the only one of those I play is Orianna. For the pros, he just seems like another hyper-snowball champ which is really boring to watch. The only game I saw where the fate of a Yasuo wasn't dominance or irrelevancy after 15 minutes was Dade's Yasuo vs. Faker's Karthus, and thats because Yasuo was ahead, but it was Faker, and it was Karthus who you don't really want to be melle against. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On January 27 2014 01:59 Gorsameth wrote: The enemy has an ADC. Therefor his W can be effective. You need someone to combo with him. Pick a Vi who is a normal pick anyway. I fail to see the problem. Esp the first comment sounds really wierd to me. The whole point of drafting is to get a team with synergy... tell that to Ozone who only picked Zac to give Yasuo a guaranteed ult and Manduh denied Looper so hard every fight. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On January 27 2014 02:21 Ketara wrote: I haven't really thought of Yasuo as having a strong lane phase, from what I've seen his lane phase seems pretty weak pre 6. his laneing is exceptional pre 6 if he gets a skillshot reliant opponent. splitpushing is highly situational for yasuo since he doesn't win duels against high armor, strong dueling bruisers. i dunno about trynd vs yasuo but trynd generally spikes at midgame and falls off after that. there are stronger lategame pushers like jax, shy, nasus etc who are strong pushers, exceptional at dueling and bring tankyness and initiation power on the table as well. all yasuo does is snowballing from laneing against teams who lack CC/initiation or teamfight capability in general. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22679 Posts
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kongoline
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Gorsameth
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 27 2014 02:05 clickrush wrote: Yasuo is the most overrated champion currently. There is literally 1 thing he is good at: laneing. And even if he wins the lane he is very bad at punishing safe farming without forcing fights in the jungle or ganking with CC assist. Other AD assassins burst higher with less items. Yasuos teamfights are below average. the shield is situationally strong and his ult is decent but the lack of poke, waveclear, cc, tankyness, burst make him extremly teamreliant. So far I haven't seen a Yasuo do well except from snowballing a strong lanephase against someone who overextended against him. Yasuo is very good at getting carried by a strong dive combo though and gets high numbers from that. His soloq success is also clear to me: lanephase overextend by his opponents. strong laners are overvalued in soloq because soloq is more psychology/lanedependand. see ziggs and teemo who are mainly strong and anoying laners as well. His 1v1 potential is pretty balls to the walls, split pushing yasuo is very hard to stop. Also, if you got insanely good timing with Yasuo's ulti, you can extend knock ups for a lot longer duration if you do it towards the end of the displacement rather than the beginning. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On January 27 2014 02:11 Gorsameth wrote: Id expect a Jinx nerf (I would target here minigun aspd boost) but otherwise I dont see why Lucian needs a nerf. I'd, instead, expect base stat nerfs to Jinx. Perhaps to her base AS among other stats, focusing on her early game. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:11 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'd, instead, expect base stat nerfs to Jinx. Perhaps to her base AS among other stats, focusing on her early game. She already has the lowest base/scaling AD of all marksmen as it is. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:11 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'd, instead, expect base stat nerfs to Jinx. Perhaps to her base AS among other stats, focusing on her early game. Isn't her base AS and AS growth complete ass as is? IMO her ulti is stupid bonkers, that execute AOE does so much damage, that's how she ends up snowballing real hard. Then her ulti doesn't even fall off since it scales with AD, so LW scales it up as well, and just continues to be batshit bonkers into lategame. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
On January 27 2014 00:04 Scip wrote: Always Spectral Wraith, then Nashor's, then usually Lichbane and Rabadons. Boots I usually get Sorcs but I get them very late. I do exactly the same, except i like to take Berserker's early on in the build, right after Spectral Wraith usually, gives so much punch to your E max in the early levels imho Runes : AS, Armor, AP, AP Masteries : 25/5/0 my 2 cents | ||
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