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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:11 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'd, instead, expect base stat nerfs to Jinx. Perhaps to her base AS among other stats, focusing on her early game. Yeah her base AS growth is Nautilus level of bad. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:35 cLutZ wrote: Jinx is just the strongest AD, but I actually wouldn't touch any of them until toplane is fixed. Personally I think Lucian is a bigger balance problem in botlane than Jinx because he makes champs like Graves, Corki, and MF basically stupid to pick, and on top of that he makes it really difficult to pick champs like Trist, Kog, Vayne, and Ashe because of laning (two of those are also irrelevant because of toplane's ridiculousnees right now as well). to be honest, jinx doesn't need a nerf. every ADC just needs a buff. They're so fucking useless in teamfights compared to everyone else. S4 adc's pretty much are only there to take towers, and if they can do some burst damage, then that's good enough. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:38 wei2coolman wrote: to be honest, jinx doesn't need a nerf. every ADC just needs a buff. They're so fucking useless in teamfights compared to everyone else. S4 adc's pretty much are only there to take towers, and if they can do some burst damage, then that's good enough. Start with graves pls rito. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I don't even know how they can give Jinx a global execute version of Graves ult, and dat range, and dat poke, without modernizing Graves. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:49 wei2coolman wrote: I don't even know how they can give Jinx a global execute version of Graves ult, and dat range, and dat poke, without modernizing Graves. $$$ | ||
yamato77
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On January 27 2014 03:16 Gorsameth wrote: I feel like a lot of people talking about yasuo's weaknesses have never played against the IE/Shiv/Tank version. It really removes a lot of weaknesses. He doesnt need more damage then those 2 items to destroy everyone. honestly that is the only version i've seen so far. shiv+ie has a very shitty timing. your bruiser will have sunfire+randuins by then and will initiate fights. no way yasuo is dueling a bruiser in a splitpush (its actually almost painful to watch when a yasuo tries this either in pro or in soloq play). the only use cases are the following: 1. yasuo snowballs from laneing phase (midlane mostly) and gets significant gold lead so he has a relevant teamfight. 2. yasuo deals follow up/cleanup damage in well engaged teamfights and is not getting focussed (he gets carried) 3. the opposing team has almost no CC to deal with melee autoattackers and has trouble to control/kite him and not enough disengage to maintain a poke war. yasuo winning by himself is a pure snowball case and a yasuo who is behind is extremely crippling because he doesn't provide anything aside a situational shield, which can be very good I admit but in the other hand I rather have someone who can poke/cc himself instead of someone who blocks a little bit of it sometimes. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Quinn buff plx. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:58 Ketara wrote: Yeah I think there's probably a number of ADCs that could use buffs. Quinn buff plx. She isn't an adc.She is an assassin and a splitpusher like vayne except shitty in teamfights. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:56 clickrush wrote: honestly that is the only version i've seen so far. shiv+ie has a very shitty timing. your bruiser will have sunfire+randuins by then and will initiate fights. no way yasuo is dueling a bruiser in a splitpush (its actually almost painful to watch when a yasuo tries this either in pro or in soloq play). the only use cases are the following: 1. yasuo snowballs from laneing phase (midlane mostly) and gets significant gold lead so he has a relevant teamfight. 2. yasuo deals follow up/cleanup damage in well engaged teamfights and is not getting focussed (he gets carried) 3. the opposing team has almost no CC to deal with melee autoattackers and has trouble to control/kite him and not enough disengage to maintain a poke war. yasuo winning by himself is a pure snowball case and a yasuo who is behind is extremely crippling because he doesn't provide anything aside a situational shield, which can be very good I admit but in the other hand I rather have someone who can poke/cc himself instead of someone who blocks a little bit of it sometimes. It's all about timing + team comp. If you're planning on running in top lane, you better hope your midlaner is running strong AP damage. If you force the tank top laner to run sunfire + randuins to deal with your 2 item timing, then your midlaner is going to tear through them like nothing. Also his 1 item timing is pretty strong too, Shiv deals a lot of magic damage, and is sort of hard to itemize against when they're usually rushing to finish sunfire. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:59 nafta wrote: She isn't an adc.She is an assassin and a splitpusher like vayne except shitty in teamfights. SHH, don't ruin my master plan. Quinn is a poor ADC, buff Quinn plx. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Cheap0
United States540 Posts
On January 27 2014 04:59 nafta wrote: She isn't an adc.She is an assassin and a splitpusher like vayne except shitty in teamfights. Being an adc and an assassin aren't mutually exclusive. | ||
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Omnishroud
1073 Posts
TBH i like where items are in general as opposed to S2/3, definitely an improvement in my eyes. The trinkets make for pretty interesting situations. Champion balance is a bit ridiculous though, Jinx, mundo and shyvana running riot. (Pun intended?) Not to mention the others like ziggs / gragas etc. I mean, Jinx is so batshit i could engage and trade evenly with leona/jinx vs thresh/vayne while she was 0/4 and vayne was 4/3. Dat jinx was bad but fuck me is that champ batshit. (Or my leona was godly? D  | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
Cheep has started streaming. We should all play drinking games. 3 shots for every first blood and a shot for every death. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Carnivorous Sheep | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On January 27 2014 07:42 Alaric wrote: Not quite the same kind of music as on other streams. I like dis music. More streams need to be cultured. | ||
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