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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 07 2013 00:25 GMT
#261
The whole " people are buying promotion for their games by using LoL streamers " is so full of bullshit if you want my opinion.
Valve and Blizzard don't care enough, and the other games are on the list are by very small developpers who can't afford this kind of practice.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 07 2013 00:27 GMT
#262
Like I said, Riot realizes how effective their approach of paying off streamers/youtubers of other games was and how instrumental it was to LoL's rise to popularity and is taking preemptive measures to prevent that from happening, fantastic business sense.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
ChaosShadow
Profile Joined April 2010
United States79 Posts
December 07 2013 00:29 GMT
#263
On December 07 2013 09:25 Noocta wrote:
The whole " people are buying promotion for their games by using LoL streamers " is so full of bullshit if you want my opinion.
Valve and Blizzard don't care enough, and the other games are on the list are by very small developpers who can't afford this kind of practice.


You mean like how the majority of top league streamer were in the very first round of Hearthstone invites? Its not directly paying the streamer, but by doing a move like that you get free promotion of your product through the use of a streamers popularity from LoL.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
December 07 2013 00:30 GMT
#264
On December 07 2013 06:12 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 06:10 cLutZ wrote:
On December 07 2013 06:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 07 2013 05:58 Figgy wrote:
Everyone in the LCS is on Salary.

They get it waaaaaaaaaay better than anyone in the business of pro-gaming by a longshot.

It's a small price to pay for League to hold onto it's stranglehold of the MOBA market.

Obviously, they don't want their Employees advertising for the competition.

This is the thing, everyone keeps calling the players Riot employees, when in reality I consider them more like contractors.


They are contractors.

Also, the Riot Salary is just basically the way that Riot ensures that there are less-successful teams available for the good/popular teams to wail on (in theory). That is the real point of the league: To give VES and C9 a chance to be VES and C9, while continuously showcasing TSM/CLG.


This is why losing Lautemortis sucks so much. He has one of the best personalities in the game. Could have given OddOne a run for his money.

Also diversity. Laute pls. :<
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
December 07 2013 00:31 GMT
#265
On December 07 2013 09:27 Kupon3ss wrote:
Like I said, Riot realizes how effective their approach of paying off streamers/youtubers of other games was and how instrumental it was to LoL's rise to popularity and is taking preemptive measures to prevent that from happening, fantastic business sense.

why are you even here
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 00:40:15
December 07 2013 00:39 GMT
#266
On December 07 2013 09:29 ChaosShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 09:25 Noocta wrote:
The whole " people are buying promotion for their games by using LoL streamers " is so full of bullshit if you want my opinion.
Valve and Blizzard don't care enough, and the other games are on the list are by very small developpers who can't afford this kind of practice.


You mean like how the majority of top league streamer were in the very first round of Hearthstone invites? Its not directly paying the streamer, but by doing a move like that you get free promotion of your product through the use of a streamers popularity from LoL.


'Buying"

Blizzard didn't buy them to play it, like it probably happened with Infinite Crisis or Smite I guess.
That's a whole different story than giving them money to play it on stream.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
NotYango
Profile Joined December 2013
United States719 Posts
December 07 2013 00:41 GMT
#267
On December 07 2013 09:39 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 09:29 ChaosShadow wrote:
On December 07 2013 09:25 Noocta wrote:
The whole " people are buying promotion for their games by using LoL streamers " is so full of bullshit if you want my opinion.
Valve and Blizzard don't care enough, and the other games are on the list are by very small developpers who can't afford this kind of practice.


You mean like how the majority of top league streamer were in the very first round of Hearthstone invites? Its not directly paying the streamer, but by doing a move like that you get free promotion of your product through the use of a streamers popularity from LoL.


'Buying"

Blizzard didn't buy them to play it, like it probably happened with Infinite Crisis or Smite I guess.
That's a whole different story than giving them money to play it on stream.

Infinite Crisis and Smite were exactly what I was thinking this applies to.
yango pls
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 07 2013 00:41 GMT
#268
it did happened with Dawngate and Curse IIRC
Carrilord has arrived.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 07 2013 00:45 GMT
#269
On December 07 2013 09:41 NotYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 09:39 Noocta wrote:
On December 07 2013 09:29 ChaosShadow wrote:
On December 07 2013 09:25 Noocta wrote:
The whole " people are buying promotion for their games by using LoL streamers " is so full of bullshit if you want my opinion.
Valve and Blizzard don't care enough, and the other games are on the list are by very small developpers who can't afford this kind of practice.


You mean like how the majority of top league streamer were in the very first round of Hearthstone invites? Its not directly paying the streamer, but by doing a move like that you get free promotion of your product through the use of a streamers popularity from LoL.


'Buying"

Blizzard didn't buy them to play it, like it probably happened with Infinite Crisis or Smite I guess.
That's a whole different story than giving them money to play it on stream.

Infinite Crisis and Smite were exactly what I was thinking this applies to.


Yeah, there's definitely some hungry moba developpers out there, but banning games like Dota2 or Blizzard games is Riot pushing their luck.
Well still, their new idea of not allowing their players to do promotional stuff is a lot more reasonable.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 07 2013 00:45 GMT
#270
someone was payed to play Smite, im quite sure of it, i just cant remember who.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 07 2013 00:52 GMT
#271
On December 07 2013 09:45 LaNague wrote:
someone was payed to play Smite, im quite sure of it, i just cant remember who.

I remember TSM were criticised for playing loads of smite after S2 worlds idk if that's what you're thinking of.
Glorious SEA doto
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6228 Posts
December 07 2013 01:13 GMT
#272
Draconian capitalistic greed is necessary for LoL's longevity, according to Riot themselves. It's a lot harder to grow when you're already the biggest.
good vibes only
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 07 2013 01:30 GMT
#273
I would like to quote this reddit post from RiotDavin.

Honestly, there is more to it than that. Responding to community concerns was definitely a part of this, but it was discussed very spiritedly internally too. Ultimately we don't want to do things we feel aren't in line with our core philosophies. There was a whoooole lot of very intense discussion that revealed, along with how players were reacting, that this just wasn't right.

Personally, I'm very happy we changed course. We're one company, but we all have different beliefs too Our internal discussion blog had a bit under a hundred very, very long posts discussing whether this was or wasn't right. We were having discussions all over the office, during lunches, at home... this kind of thing was on my mind, and on the mind of many Rioters. We're people, and we want to do right. It sucks to feel like you might not be. Thanks for giving us your good faith on this


Because it highlights an aspect that most people seem to overlook. A company like Riot is not one solid entity. It is comprised of different individuals with different opinions. People just love to paint whole groups with one brush, not only in this case. It is of course much easier. But it does not reflect the reality of the situation.
Off-season = best season
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 07 2013 02:12 GMT
#274
I would like to link Saint and Dyrus's post in the update thread on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvgx4a
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
December 07 2013 03:16 GMT
#275
On December 07 2013 11:12 Ryuu314 wrote:
I would like to link Saint and Dyrus's post in the update thread on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvgx4a


Slasher promptly calling Saint out for being wrong

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvhexj


[–]Slashered
Saint is wrong. I had this conversation with Saint on Skype yesterday and literally just now but it WAS the contract that was sent from Riot to the team owners to sign. It was not a rough draft that was not yet sent out. There is time for the owners to look it over, possibly come together and talk with Riot about their concerns, but this was still the intended action. If it wasn't, then Riot wouldn't have had their internal discussion and the statements they made on Wed and today. From talking to the owners, they were rather understanding of the contract and most were not going to abstain.
In any case, I think this is obviously a great move all around for the players and esports as a whole.


popcorn.gif
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 07 2013 03:35 GMT
#276
Ahahaha. In FACT, Slashered is wrong. And as I suspected, the TEAMS (whos interests are aligned with the players and fans on this issue) rebelled.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 07 2013 03:43 GMT
#277
On December 07 2013 12:16 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 11:12 Ryuu314 wrote:
I would like to link Saint and Dyrus's post in the update thread on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvgx4a


Slasher promptly calling Saint out for being wrong

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvhexj


Show nested quote +
[–]Slashered
Saint is wrong. I had this conversation with Saint on Skype yesterday and literally just now but it WAS the contract that was sent from Riot to the team owners to sign. It was not a rough draft that was not yet sent out. There is time for the owners to look it over, possibly come together and talk with Riot about their concerns, but this was still the intended action. If it wasn't, then Riot wouldn't have had their internal discussion and the statements they made on Wed and today. From talking to the owners, they were rather understanding of the contract and most were not going to abstain.
In any case, I think this is obviously a great move all around for the players and esports as a whole.


popcorn.gif

depends on your point of view.
Saint considers anything not signed as still "in negotiation"
Slasher considers it finalized if Riot didn't plan on "revising"
both are right imo.
liftlift > tsm
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
December 07 2013 03:45 GMT
#278
On December 07 2013 12:43 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 12:16 nojitosunrise wrote:
On December 07 2013 11:12 Ryuu314 wrote:
I would like to link Saint and Dyrus's post in the update thread on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvgx4a


Slasher promptly calling Saint out for being wrong

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvhexj


[–]Slashered
Saint is wrong. I had this conversation with Saint on Skype yesterday and literally just now but it WAS the contract that was sent from Riot to the team owners to sign. It was not a rough draft that was not yet sent out. There is time for the owners to look it over, possibly come together and talk with Riot about their concerns, but this was still the intended action. If it wasn't, then Riot wouldn't have had their internal discussion and the statements they made on Wed and today. From talking to the owners, they were rather understanding of the contract and most were not going to abstain.
In any case, I think this is obviously a great move all around for the players and esports as a whole.


popcorn.gif

depends on your point of view.
Saint considers anything not signed as still "in negotiation"
Slasher considers it finalized if Riot didn't plan on "revising"
both are right imo.

contracts aren't final until you sign them.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 07 2013 03:49 GMT
#279
On December 07 2013 12:45 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 12:43 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 07 2013 12:16 nojitosunrise wrote:
On December 07 2013 11:12 Ryuu314 wrote:
I would like to link Saint and Dyrus's post in the update thread on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvgx4a


Slasher promptly calling Saint out for being wrong

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sa59j/update_on_the_lcs_streaming_policy/cdvhexj


[–]Slashered
Saint is wrong. I had this conversation with Saint on Skype yesterday and literally just now but it WAS the contract that was sent from Riot to the team owners to sign. It was not a rough draft that was not yet sent out. There is time for the owners to look it over, possibly come together and talk with Riot about their concerns, but this was still the intended action. If it wasn't, then Riot wouldn't have had their internal discussion and the statements they made on Wed and today. From talking to the owners, they were rather understanding of the contract and most were not going to abstain.
In any case, I think this is obviously a great move all around for the players and esports as a whole.


popcorn.gif

depends on your point of view.
Saint considers anything not signed as still "in negotiation"
Slasher considers it finalized if Riot didn't plan on "revising"
both are right imo.

contracts aren't final until you sign them.

Doesn't mean it's in negotiation either.
liftlift > tsm
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 07 2013 03:50 GMT
#280
It obiously was not final as they changed the terms....
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