EPT[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 170
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 07 2013 15:57 cLutZ wrote: I dont know, its, "ok", but that is probably another reason that in OGN coin is so popular, it has the best active. It's also that coin is the safer alternative. Plus it also facilitates roaming, whereas Targon means you have to actually stay in lane to take full advantage of it. I think the coin and relic are both in a good place atm. The kage one maybe needs some help, but I think pros underrate it. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
Also that's a nice Splash art for Sivir new skin. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 07 2013 16:19 Ryuu314 wrote: It's also that coin is the safer alternative. Plus it also facilitates roaming, whereas Targon means you have to actually stay in lane to take full advantage of it. I think the coin and relic are both in a good place atm. The kage one maybe needs some help, but I think pros underrate it. I don't know if this is what I've gotten across (properly), but I feel like, yes coin is the safest, but also has the best active (honestly, I think the other 2 actives need to be significantly improved). Like, the AP one is probably supposed to be weak, because Riot has designed AP to be great on most supports, but the way you get rewarded on it doesn't work for most supports for very long, and the same is true of Targons. Its just too difficult to get an AA or a CS as a support during a game right now, mostly because lots of supports have really long CDs and AA harass from ranged characters doesn't exist that much after the first tower dies. I think there needs to be a way to get the GP5 passives from the non-coin items to scale for pros, or, at the very least, they need to be given actives that are on the same level. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 07 2013 16:01 Gahlo wrote: Yeah, watching those games really makes me wish I could grab lolreplay files and seeing if buying a Dshield ends up being more gold effective if they intend to go that path. Snowstorm Sivir load splash. + Show Spoiler [Has some nice values] + ![[image loading]](http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/loldiffs/GameTooltipHistory_12_7_2013_12_50_AM_e8b30f1dd31f4441aaaba8eea338a26a/images/SivirLoadScreen_6.jpg) Inc Sivir nerfs | ||
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Celial
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
reaper hecarim maybe? | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On December 07 2013 17:11 Celial wrote: I keep thinking so hard, but there are only four "ghost skins" in the game, right? Gangplank, Morgana, Fiddlesticks, Nocturne? I want to play a ghost game so badly... guess I could always take Reaper Karthus as the "boss", and technically Thresh IS a ghost... Haunted Zyra maybe? If all else fails, just grab Mordekaiser. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
And again, maybe it's just me, but I feel like the AD items are much more gold efficient than most of the AP ones, or at least there are more options available for the item build paths. I mean, depending upon your team comp and what the enemy is building, you can see an AD champ go Triforce, Cleaver, Tiamat/Hydra, BT, LW, IE, BotRK, even Ghostblade or Manamune. Meanwhile, what item can most AP champs go into? All they really have to choose from are Zhonyas, Rabadons, DFG, Void Staff, AA, or Athenes. Lich Bane is niche case, only good on 4 champs (Kayle, Fizz, TF, Diana), Nashors is good on Kayle only, and Abyssal is more-so meant for AP supports than AP champs (though I can see someone making a case for it being an item on Diana or Fizz). | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 07 2013 19:40 MooMooMugi wrote: Apparently Jungle Wukong is op now. Makes sense since the defensive mastery-Tenacious gives 4 armor/2 mr for every champion thats near by, add that to Wukong's passive which gives 8/8, thats a lot of free stats. That mastery makes Wukong's passive comparatively weaker, not stronger ;S The Chinese Sivir splash is still by far the best. In fact, it's probably my favorite splash art in the entire game. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 07 2013 20:34 Jek wrote: Has anyone had succes with energy regen runes? I've just bought all of them and they really seem horrible after a few games. :-/ In my opinion, they're only worth it if it makes you get an extra ability off at a certain CDR, which also would significantly improve your allining ability. Needs to be a specific case, and important enough. No free RP on my account. Disappointing. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On December 07 2013 20:39 Shikyo wrote: In my opinion, they're only worth it if it makes you get an extra ability off at a certain CDR, which also would significantly improve your allining ability. Needs to be a specific case, and important enough. No free RP on my account. Disappointing. That situation pretty much will never happen and is not worth having real quints (and energy yellows would be PX levels of bad). 4.5 energy every 5 seconds means you can get a 40 energy spell off in 30s except your entire energy bar already refills by then. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 07 2013 20:34 Jek wrote: Has anyone had succes with energy regen runes? I've just bought all of them and they really seem horrible after a few games. :-/ They're really terrible. If you want energy runes you're better off getting + max energy runes cause those actually can see edge benefits. Flat Energy Quints give 5.4 per (x3 gives 16.2) Flat Energy Glyphs give 2.2 per (x9 gives 19.8) Scaling Energy Glyphs give 0.161~2.89 (x9 gives 1.449~26.01) So if you get max energy runes you can realistically get an extra ability cast off on say Akali or Lee Sin. It's still probably not worth it since there are more useful alternatives. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On December 07 2013 18:31 Kinie wrote: Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whole reason C9 had it's weird team comps (mainly Balls on a AP Top laner) due to the fact that, after Zac nerfs, if they didn't pick a AP champ they would have an all AD team considering Zed wasn't really seeing heavy bans until the middle portion of the Summer Split? And again, maybe it's just me, but I feel like the AD items are much more gold efficient than most of the AP ones, or at least there are more options available for the item build paths. I mean, depending upon your team comp and what the enemy is building, you can see an AD champ go Triforce, Cleaver, Tiamat/Hydra, BT, LW, IE, BotRK, even Ghostblade or Manamune. Meanwhile, what item can most AP champs go into? All they really have to choose from are Zhonyas, Rabadons, DFG, Void Staff, AA, or Athenes. Lich Bane is niche case, only good on 4 champs (Kayle, Fizz, TF, Diana), Nashors is good on Kayle only, and Abyssal is more-so meant for AP supports than AP champs (though I can see someone making a case for it being an item on Diana or Fizz). I think you're underselling AP itemisation. I mean you say lichbane is a niche case, but how is ghost blade not? Abyssal is good on any short range Mage. Plus you didn't list liandrys and rylais (key items on a lot of champs), roa and morrellonominimicom. I don't think you're giving it enough credit. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
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