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On November 01 2013 00:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 00:27 Promises wrote:
Played against new Heimer for the first time, what the fuck is that ^^ In the end it turned out to be a farmfest since he couldnt really get to me (viktor) and I couldnt get to him, but the combination of permapushing and being nearly ungankable when turrets are up because the turrets plus his skills give INSANE burst and zone-controll seems a bit much. Might need a few more games against it tho, but while I never really feared for my life every jungle gank just failed miserably, and there wasnt much I could do to take him out either. I'll have to post my reaction video from last night when I first dropped my combo when I was ganked. So much damage. His Upgraded E is so much better than I originally thought. I'm still unsure about what to max on him now. Turrets are awesome, but I think W has potential for best - it's just awkward the first times I'm using it.
I'm watching Chu8 use him and W still seems best followed by Q with 1 point in E before 6. It's amazing the amount of burst damage Heim can do for a more siege type champ. Upgraded W is sick, it's madness.
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On November 01 2013 00:49 lilwisper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 00:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2013 00:27 Promises wrote:
Played against new Heimer for the first time, what the fuck is that ^^ In the end it turned out to be a farmfest since he couldnt really get to me (viktor) and I couldnt get to him, but the combination of permapushing and being nearly ungankable when turrets are up because the turrets plus his skills give INSANE burst and zone-controll seems a bit much. Might need a few more games against it tho, but while I never really feared for my life every jungle gank just failed miserably, and there wasnt much I could do to take him out either. I'll have to post my reaction video from last night when I first dropped my combo when I was ganked. So much damage. His Upgraded E is so much better than I originally thought. I'm still unsure about what to max on him now. Turrets are awesome, but I think W has potential for best - it's just awkward the first times I'm using it. I'm watching Chu8 use him and W still seems best followed by Q with 1 point in E before 6. It's amazing the amount of burst damage Heim can do for a more siege type champ. Upgraded W is sick, it's madness.
Yeah, I've only got 1 game so far, and I was maxing Q just cuz I had no idea what to do.
Definitely want to give max W a shot cuz lvl 9 upgrade W burst sounds insane.
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On October 31 2013 23:20 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 22:08 nafta wrote:On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again? Too expensive.Also bork first is stronger. I was alluding to TF second. Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 22:08 Wrag wrote:On October 31 2013 21:57 Gahlo wrote:
Why has TF Vayne not become a thing again? Probably because she can't reliably chain the procs. Even tho Q has a short-ish CD, her other 2 active skills are situational/long cd, and using condemn in most cases puts her target out of range. The sheen stats appart from proc are mostly wasted as well.Also, Botrk being so much better as core puts TF in a situationnal late buy position for her. Early phage could be a strong buy, but delays botrk substantialy. See above about Bork. Tumble cd at max cd matches up with Sheens internal cooldown, so as long as she's auto attacking she can potentially trigger sheen till the cows come home(she goes oom, which sheen conveniently increases.) The only real wasted stats on TF for her is the AP, but there are numerous champions who have more wasted/off stats that pick up TF anyway.
I used to do a lot of BT into Trinity Vayne and it's really bursty but if the enemy team has someone to dive/chase you which is almost always, then you need to get bork, and Bork trinity is terrible. I really like it though, there have been quite a few times where i catch the enemy AD splitpushing and I ult in and crit+sheen+ult+tumble them and they are dead within 3 shots.
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So I got Pool Party Leona from a mystery box, so I jungled one Leona game last night.
Then I learned the terror that is jungle leona when combined with a post lvl 6 Quinn/Thresh bot lane. You can dive one person SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard.
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On November 01 2013 00:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 00:16 Requizen wrote:On November 01 2013 00:15 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On November 01 2013 00:14 Slayer91 wrote:
you guys have wrong definitions of good.
Anything sub optimal is not good. Trinity is not good on most adcs because its sub optimal. That doesn't mean id prefer to not have a trinity over having a free trinity mmmmmmmmmmmm Luciannnnnnn Stop trying to make Lucian happen. I literally have seen maybe 2 since release and they did absolutely nothing all game. He's just been waiting to make that shot in the dark pun for so long...
Thank you Asmo
I thought nobody noticed that :')
Also Req, I will now go Lucian every single game I duo with you.
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On November 01 2013 01:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 00:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:On November 01 2013 00:16 Requizen wrote:On November 01 2013 00:15 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On November 01 2013 00:14 Slayer91 wrote:
you guys have wrong definitions of good.
Anything sub optimal is not good. Trinity is not good on most adcs because its sub optimal. That doesn't mean id prefer to not have a trinity over having a free trinity mmmmmmmmmmmm Luciannnnnnn Stop trying to make Lucian happen. I literally have seen maybe 2 since release and they did absolutely nothing all game. He's just been waiting to make that shot in the dark pun for so long... Thank you Asmo I thought nobody noticed that :') Also Req, I will now go Lucian every single game I duo with you.
Why, so you can blame the loss on your computer again? Ghandi plz
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On November 01 2013 01:24 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 01:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On November 01 2013 00:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:On November 01 2013 00:16 Requizen wrote:On November 01 2013 00:15 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On November 01 2013 00:14 Slayer91 wrote:
you guys have wrong definitions of good.
Anything sub optimal is not good. Trinity is not good on most adcs because its sub optimal. That doesn't mean id prefer to not have a trinity over having a free trinity mmmmmmmmmmmm Luciannnnnnn Stop trying to make Lucian happen. I literally have seen maybe 2 since release and they did absolutely nothing all game. He's just been waiting to make that shot in the dark pun for so long... Thank you Asmo I thought nobody noticed that :') Also Req, I will now go Lucian every single game I duo with you. Why, so you can blame the loss on your computer again? Ghandi plz
Just because you farm kills off of my damage doesn't mean that I didn't carry you
Req pls I'm the best thing for your KDA since AP Yi
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That was the emptiest post yet. "We're making changes but don't worry about them yet. Bye!"
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On November 01 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:That was the emptiest post yet. "We're making changes but don't worry about them yet. Bye!"
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They said they're rebalancing scaling so that in most categories, flat doesn't just flat out beat scaling because the scaling kicks in at a useless point. Also armor yellows will probably no longer be single best in slot seal for almost every hero/role combination.
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I was hoping they were going to kill rune pages but I guess that's too profitable to touch.
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On November 01 2013 02:25 UniversalSnip wrote:
I was hoping they were going to kill rune pages but I guess that's too profitable to touch.
It's what makes their business model work, in my opinion.
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Is Locodoco's team out of LCS for s4?
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On November 01 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:That was the emptiest post yet. "We're making changes but don't worry about them yet. Bye!"
The main takeaway is "most/all scaling runes will break even with flat runes at level 6, instead of some useless scaling runes that need level 10"
Also, shot in the dark - "marks are offense, seals are defense, glyphs are utility" might mean that MR and gold/10 runes are switching places (gold/10 now blue, best MR runes are now yellow), which would might force a real choice of yellows to take.
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On November 01 2013 02:24 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:That was the emptiest post yet. "We're making changes but don't worry about them yet. Bye!" ? They said they're rebalancing scaling so that in most categories, flat doesn't just flat out beat scaling because the scaling kicks in at a useless point. Also armor yellows will probably no longer be single best in slot seal for almost every hero/role combination.
That's the only substantial thing in the entire post aside from the removal of Improved Summoner Spell and changing Biscuit. Everything else was ideas and from the sounds of it, Runes aren't even going to make it to Pre-Season for quite some time.
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I don't know, truthfully I'm not sure i even want runes to be a real choice.
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The first thing that stands out with live rune balance is that runes with the clearest power also happen to be among the strongest (flat AD, flat MR, flat armor, etc). Because of how infrequently runes are tuned, players tend to accept that certain runes provide a core set of base stats that are ‘best in slot’ and shy away from customization.
I'm sort of amused at how Riot doesn't make the connection that part of the reason for this is that the inability to tune your rune selection AFTER teams have selected champions forces players' runepages to be somewhat general, even when you have access to a large number of runepages.
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On November 01 2013 02:57 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +The first thing that stands out with live rune balance is that runes with the clearest power also happen to be among the strongest (flat AD, flat MR, flat armor, etc). Because of how infrequently runes are tuned, players tend to accept that certain runes provide a core set of base stats that are ‘best in slot’ and shy away from customization. I'm sort of amused at how Riot doesn't make the connection that part of the reason for this is that the inability to tune your rune selection AFTER teams have selected champions forces players' runepages to be somewhat general, even when you have access to a large number of runepages.
If you could do that, you wouldn't buy as many rune pages with RP (cuz let's be serious, no one wants to drop 6300 on a page). It's in their best business interest to not allow it. Although it's certainly not in the best interest of the game.
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Ok.... Chu8 has an avg of 30-40K+ total dmg done for every game with Heim since I've started watching. This last game he had 50K+ Dmg with banner/ohms/IBG/hex/sorc/Twin(not really relevant since he got it so late). Imagine if he had some more normal mage items instead of the hex and ohms. Banner is so nice on him, I would follow it up with a grail instead of the ohms. Other mage items would work too.
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I still think scaling runes will be a noob trap even if it breaks even then that's like five minutes for you to accrue an advantage with your better stats.
Only thing that would make scaling runes better is if they increased the scaling a lot on the later levels and there was a way or reason for you to take advantage of some later timing with Cary champ, assuming you could create a scenario in which they could free farm (ie 2v1).
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