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Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
October 31 2013 18:07 GMT
#561
On November 01 2013 02:31 nosliw wrote:
Is Locodoco's team out of LCS for s4?

no they can still qualify in the next round of sc4 qualifiers, which will take them (should they qualify) to the relegation matches vs the LCS teams prior to s4 LCS start.
washed
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 31 2013 18:08 GMT
#562
IF they do a major retuning of runes I want all my rune IP refunded so I can buy the ones I want.

Otherwise this is just setting back players like me who already dont have all the relevant runes AND still need like 1/2 the 6300 champs.

And hell, I don't even mind paying money for certain parts of this game, like skins, but runes are a fundamental part of your power.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2013 18:11 GMT
#563
Good thing I still got almost 30k ip stocked! Hue
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 31 2013 18:13 GMT
#564
runes are just a crutch for bad players you can get plat/diamond just fine with all flat ezpz
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 18:15:55
October 31 2013 18:14 GMT
#565
On November 01 2013 03:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 02:57 TheYango wrote:
The first thing that stands out with live rune balance is that runes with the clearest power also happen to be among the strongest (flat AD, flat MR, flat armor, etc). Because of how infrequently runes are tuned, players tend to accept that certain runes provide a core set of base stats that are ‘best in slot’ and shy away from customization.

I'm sort of amused at how Riot doesn't make the connection that part of the reason for this is that the inability to tune your rune selection AFTER teams have selected champions forces players' runepages to be somewhat general, even when you have access to a large number of runepages.


If you could do that, you wouldn't buy as many rune pages with RP (cuz let's be serious, no one wants to drop 6300 on a page). It's in their best business interest to not allow it. Although it's certainly not in the best interest of the game.

Right, I understand this. I just think it's funny that they think that this is a problem at all disregarding that. People are going to have generalized runepages because of how your runepages have to be fixed going into champ select. Tweaking rune strength might alter the "best" runes to use, but ultimately we're going to reach a steady state simply because the realities of rune selection demands one.

On November 01 2013 03:08 cLutZ wrote:
IF they do a major retuning of runes I want all my rune IP refunded so I can buy the ones I want.

Otherwise this is just setting back players like me who already dont have all the relevant runes AND still need like 1/2 the 6300 champs.

And hell, I don't even mind paying money for certain parts of this game, like skins, but runes are a fundamental part of your power.

Now you'll know the pain of older players who had crit runes before they got shafted.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 31 2013 18:23 GMT
#566
I'm buying nothing until s4 starts so I can buy all the new runes I need

8500 IP saved up so far~
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
October 31 2013 18:34 GMT
#567
On November 01 2013 03:23 thenexusp wrote:
I'm buying nothing until s4 starts so I can buy all the new runes I need

8500 IP saved up so far~


That'll be enough for half a rune page... Fkn rito.
Anything is Possible
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
October 31 2013 18:41 GMT
#568
Unless Riot does something nuts like buffs crit damage, cdr, hybrid or energy runes I think I'm in pretty good shape.

As long as whatever runes are powerful are not the 830x9 ones I'm happy. Screw those!
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
HaNdFisH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia119 Posts
October 31 2013 18:44 GMT
#569
Well they mentioned hybrid defence yellows, given hybrid pen reds cost a lot I imagine these would be expensive and really good.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 18:51:28
October 31 2013 18:48 GMT
#570
I like this change.
+ Show Spoiler +
"We’re also changing the Biscuiteer mastery so instead of granting a single-use biscuit, it now upgrades health potions into Rejuvenation Biscuits that also grant a little mana regen."


Depending on how big the changes are to runes I'm hoping Riot refunds everyone's Runes and normalizes their prices (cheap runes too cheap, expensive runes too expensive). I have a few runes I would like to refund. This way everyone can rebuild pages from scratch because moving Arm/Mr runes into the same category could fuck over many new players with only 1-2 run pages and not a lot of IP. And we know how Riot likes the newbies! (fingers crossed)

I could see the next "catch all" rune build for new players become something like Hybrid Pen Marks, Hybrid Resist Seals, CDR Glyphs and MS Quints. One page to rune them all!
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 31 2013 18:54 GMT
#571
Screw me, seeing Diamond V (at Gold I Elo) and Plat II + Silver I duoQs. I know the end of the season is in only 2 weeks, but still, games get so dumb when such a discrepancy is present.
No, I'm not QQing that "getting a duo like that is loss gg". I'm just annoyed because either the low guy is decent and his buddy will wreck, resulting in a stomp, or he's at his real Elo and generally gets destroyed (or destroys himself, happens too), resulting in a stomp.

It's not like that everygame but the appeal isn't there when most games involving such duoQs are so one-sided. Obviously Riot can't prevent it because it'd be harmful to the "fun" of people wanting to play in ranked with their buddies, but how "fun" is it for the other 6-8 to have to deal with the effects on the matchmaking? :/
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 18:56 GMT
#572
Occasionally though, the lower ranked player will play much, much better than the higher ranked duo.

Just saying.
It's your boy Guzma!
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 31 2013 18:56 GMT
#573
On November 01 2013 03:48 Ghost-z wrote:
I like this change.
+ Show Spoiler +
"We’re also changing the Biscuiteer mastery so instead of granting a single-use biscuit, it now upgrades health potions into Rejuvenation Biscuits that also grant a little mana regen."


Depending on how big the changes are to runes I'm hoping Riot refunds everyone's Runes and normalizes their prices (cheap runes too cheap, expensive runes too expensive). I have a few runes I would like to refund. This way everyone can rebuild pages from scratch because moving Arm/Mr runes into the same category could fuck over many new players with only 1-2 run pages and not a lot of IP. And we know how Riot likes the newbies! (fingers crossed)

I could see the next "catch all" rune build for new players become something like Hybrid Pen Marks, Hybrid Resist Seals, CDR Glyphs and MS Quints. One page to rune them all!

AD marks are better for new players almost universally due to last hitting
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 18:59:53
October 31 2013 18:57 GMT
#574
Posting this here for visability
NA AND EU LCS CLASH IN BATTLE OF THE ATLANTIC TOURNAMENT:

Pretty cool. Gives teams something to play for in the off season, plus we get an epic Fnatic v Cloud 9 rematch.


Edit: Also it's gonna be our first look at pros playing with the Season 4 changes, so that should certainly be interesting.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 31 2013 18:58 GMT
#575
On November 01 2013 02:57 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
The first thing that stands out with live rune balance is that runes with the clearest power also happen to be among the strongest (flat AD, flat MR, flat armor, etc). Because of how infrequently runes are tuned, players tend to accept that certain runes provide a core set of base stats that are ‘best in slot’ and shy away from customization.

I'm sort of amused at how Riot doesn't make the connection that part of the reason for this is that the inability to tune your rune selection AFTER teams have selected champions forces players' runepages to be somewhat general, even when you have access to a large number of runepages.

20 is plenty imo. It allows for 10 or so general runepages with another 10 for your role specialized rune pages.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 31 2013 19:02 GMT
#576
On November 01 2013 03:56 Requizen wrote:
Occasionally though, the lower ranked player will play much, much better than the higher ranked duo.

Just saying.

The anomaly there is that despite how low Soniv stoop on a regular basis, you still haven't managed to do better more than "occasionally". <3
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 19:04 GMT
#577
On November 01 2013 04:02 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 03:56 Requizen wrote:
Occasionally though, the lower ranked player will play much, much better than the higher ranked duo.

Just saying.

The anomaly there is that despite how low Soniv stoop on a regular basis, you still haven't managed to do better more than "occasionally". <3

My Garen was carry god don't even start bro.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 31 2013 19:11 GMT
#578
On November 01 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 04:02 Alaric wrote:
On November 01 2013 03:56 Requizen wrote:
Occasionally though, the lower ranked player will play much, much better than the higher ranked duo.

Just saying.

The anomaly there is that despite how low Soniv stoop on a regular basis, you still haven't managed to do better more than "occasionally". <3

My Garen was carry god don't even start bro.


"Not dying" does not constitute as carrying. That's what you're supposed to do.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 31 2013 19:12 GMT
#579
On November 01 2013 03:04 iCanada wrote:
I still think scaling runes will be a noob trap even if it breaks even then that's like five minutes for you to accrue an advantage with your better stats.

Only thing that would make scaling runes better is if they increased the scaling a lot on the later levels and there was a way or reason for you to take advantage of some later timing with Cary champ, assuming you could create a scenario in which they could free farm (ie 2v1).


If scaling runes were like X stat per level per level then that might make a real choice. Most pros are using flat runes for even things like MR which breaks even around lvl 6 because flat MR just lets you do more things for the first 5 levels and get away with it
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 19:13 GMT
#580
On November 01 2013 04:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote:
On November 01 2013 04:02 Alaric wrote:
On November 01 2013 03:56 Requizen wrote:
Occasionally though, the lower ranked player will play much, much better than the higher ranked duo.

Just saying.

The anomaly there is that despite how low Soniv stoop on a regular basis, you still haven't managed to do better more than "occasionally". <3

My Garen was carry god don't even start bro.


"Not dying" does not constitute as carrying. That's what you're supposed to do.

Taking a giant dump on Cait every time she showed her face does, tho.

Also you died twice baddie
It's your boy Guzma!
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