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On November 12 2013 08:54 Vlanitak wrote:
I like all the interesting post about Cruzer, but tbh we tried out a bunch of players and no one was as consistent or communicative as him, hell we gave people who we thought had "potential" (in lack of better words) 2nd and 3rd chances to prove themselves. Im a little surprised the announcement went out this early though
As a Dig fanboi, I can't really comment. I haven't seen Cruzer play in so long, so I can't really comment on his play.
It's an upgrade, since Kiwi's best champs were all nerfed and he couldn't transition well. How much is something I'll let S4 changes dictate.
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I'm surprised by Cruzer as well. On the one hand the last time I saw him at relatively pro level was Azure vs CLG and he did decent but didn't even win lane against Hotshot. On the other hand I don't think he'll be worse than Kiwi. Kind of nervous that Dignitas might struggle to get top 6 in LCS Spring which would suck. They're one of my favorites. And I don't dislike Cruzer or anything it's kinda cool to see someone who was semi-pro for so long finally get picked up but I dunno how well he's going to perform.
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Man the Eve flanks on Alex's stream. Scary.
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The garen who spammed emotes instead of helping Alex finish the game is one of the most idiotic trolls I have ever seen.
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On November 12 2013 09:06 Tula wrote:
The garen who spammed emotes instead of helping Alex finish the game is one of the most idiotic trolls I have ever seen.
lol, mad on his behalf.
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I think kiwikid is way better than cruzer.
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On November 12 2013 09:06 Tula wrote:
The garen who spammed emotes instead of helping Alex finish the game is one of the most idiotic trolls I have ever seen.
He's playing garen. It's almost a requirement to be an asshole.
Who ever even heard of a "nice guy garen?"
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On November 12 2013 06:09 wei2coolman wrote:
NA solo queue is so sad. Watch Korean High Elo solo queue, 7-8 players in the game are all pro-players.
NA, it's a miracle of there's 3 in the same game.
That just means Koreans are more likely to drop players when they find better ones.
Or there's more competition among the top Koreans to get on teams.
Which could by extension mean there's more Koreans that practice a lot than NA.
Or a combination of the above with several other factors.
It doesn't necessarily say anything about skill.
Actually not sure if this is even true.
Just saw Dyrus, Oddone, Bjergson, and two members of Quantic(on opposite teams) in my client.
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Well if you believe what Vlanitak says, and I don't know why you wouldn't it appears the problem is cyclical.
-teams recruit from the same pool over and over
-people don't view solo q as an avenue to being pro
-no tryhards
-hard to determine who in solo q is actually good because no tryhards
-repeat
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Cruzer has a lot of competitive experience which is about as valuable as talent, but I'm really not sure how good he can be. There aren't too many top laners in NA though, just a bunch of ADCs and nothing else. Top is the least impactful role in league so it won't matter too much. I really don't like how he spams malphite though, reminds me of people stuck in S2.
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i think dig is in for a horrible year with this lineup imo, scarra hasn't been playing well for a long time (pains me to say this), I don't think cruzer has what it takes, qtpie/patoy are good but IDK if they're good enough to be carrying dig.
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On November 12 2013 09:39 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Cruzer has a lot of competitive experience which is about as valuable as talent, but I'm really not sure how good he can be. There aren't too many top laners in NA though, just a bunch of ADCs and nothing else. Top is the least impactful role in league so it won't matter too much. I really don't like how he spams malphite though, reminds me of people stuck in S2.
That's the fact he has a lot of competitive experience but has not really good results that seem concerning.
But I realize I'm maybe a bit too harsh considering we've seen players progress a lot over the time of a LCS season. If at least he's consistent, he's on a good track I could hope.
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I think the problem a lot of people have with picking up players from solo queue is they view limited champion pool as a deciding factor. In my experience people who are one trick ponies for jungle and ADC can generally expand their pool fairly easily, as the underlying mechanics is the same for every champion in those roles. It becomes more of a problem for mid/top and to a lesser extent, supports, as playstyles vary more dramatically for different champions and matchups. The truth is you won't know how someone will do with different champions he actually learns them. Some learn faster than others, but for pro teams they usually don't have the patience to wait. I've never really thought too much of a limited champion pool unless it's something really weird like panth mid only. Communication, experience, and attitude are important but those things are by far easier to improve on than mechanics or awareness. It's kind of hard to judge those qualities unless you actually play with the person many times and take note of small things.
I can understand the habit of pro teams to pick up "established" players as they generally already have the intangibles like communication, work ethic, etc and so less to improve on, but a player's ceiling is just as important but not considered equally most likely due to the overwhelming pressures facing managers and players to get instant results. So basically, having amateur leagues is important as a stepping stone. I'm sure more solo queue players will get picked up in the next split.
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I was writting a big response looking at some of the reasons, but honestly its pretty simple.
Teams wont pick up solo Q because they simply arent good enough (when they are they get picked up: Quas, C9 )
People in solo Q doesnt take it seriously enough or the ones who do dont have the talent required (people with 10k games still dont know lane matchups etc)
So who is left to pick? The semipros that has been around forever, sitting in a very niche pool of players. They are 100% safe bets, you know them, you know their skill level. It is very hard to go wrong with them.
(quick add: champion pool had nothing in our desicion making as we understand that knowing a champ 100% means you understand a lot of the basic and advanced lane tactics, and we let people play w/e they wanted and semibuilt comps around that, people simply werent good enough)
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To be fair, when Dig picked up Kiwikid, he was not even remotely established. Everyone was like WHO DIS GUY HE CARRIES SO HARD. Can't really blame Dig for never picking up unknowns.
Then he just.. i dont know... imploded or something. It was sad.
I'm pretty content with the pickup. Cruzer has pretty solid work ethic and I never really felt he was a weak link on the teams he's been on in the past. I'm not saying he's #1 NA top laner, but I think he can carry his weight.
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if they have a small pool it's all the more likely they don't play something that is good on the current patch, giving you the perfect opportunity to test them on adjusting to a new patch.
Dig themselves had problems with this last season, not to mention the even more notable Ozone flop.
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Also as a side note, it's difficult for players to reinvent their playstyles unless they work really really hard at it by constantly experimenting and disregarding results. When someone has success with a certain playstyle or champion, there's no incentive to go outside of that comfort zone unless pressured to do so, and by that point, which is usually when they get banned out in scrims, a real match, etc, it's almost always too late. There's also underlying but significant factors like ego, pride, etc, as in if you play bad with a new champion in scrims you won't want to do it again and neither will your team want you to. I think a lot of old pros are stuck with their comfort zone champion pool or style, which are often good enough to dominate solo queue with but not much else.
As a small example, for junglers, most good players can play the xj9/meteos style and get as much CS and be the highest level, but it takes practice and feels uncomfortable because it tips the balance of general consensus between farm and pressure. One has to realize the shortcomings and make up for it which takes analysis and practice, and since most good junglers are already successful with their own styles they will thing trying to play a different way is unnecessary. Junglers usually aim for that right balance which is most effective for the most types of games instead of having to have your team adapt to your playstyle.
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Qtpie will pull out the AD heimerdonger and shut us all up, you heard it here first
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Did Kiwi do well on champs that weren't zac?
I hope Cruzer does well for Dig. Can the team carry Scarra? I doubt it.
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On November 12 2013 10:05 MooMooMugi wrote:
Qtpie will pull out the AD heimerdonger and shut us all up, you heard it here first
Qtpie will pull out the AD heimerdonger and make us all rage while reddit has a field day and worships him, you heard it here first.
On November 12 2013 10:06 JonnyLaw wrote:
Did Kiwi do well on champs that weren't zac?
I hope Cruzer does well for Dig. Can the team carry Scarra? I doubt it.
Spring LCS he was a god on Singed, before Zac was even released.
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