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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 11 2013 21:10 GMT
#2701
On November 12 2013 06:09 wei2coolman wrote:
NA solo queue is so sad. Watch Korean High Elo solo queue, 7-8 players in the game are all pro-players.
NA, it's a miracle of there's 3 in the same game.

But but soloQ doesnmm't mean skill !
The legend of Darien lives on
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 11 2013 21:13 GMT
#2702
On November 12 2013 06:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 06:09 wei2coolman wrote:
NA solo queue is so sad. Watch Korean High Elo solo queue, 7-8 players in the game are all pro-players.
NA, it's a miracle of there's 3 in the same game.

But but soloQ doesnmm't mean skill !

What's more depressing is hearing players talking about how they didn't see Chauster in solo queue for a year, yet CLG kept him on their team during that entire time. Why the fuck are you having players on your team that don't even want to play the game anymore? Also, watching Dyrus struggle in solo queue, just makes me so sad for NA. This guy used to be considered the best top in NA, and he's struggling in solo queue. #NAplz
liftlift > tsm
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
November 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#2703
na solo q isnt used by competitive teams to systematically scout talent, so theres no incentive to play tryhard solo q
TranslatorBaa!
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#2704
On November 12 2013 06:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
na solo q isnt used by competitive teams to systematically scout talent, so theres no incentive to play tryhard solo q

Yup, NA scouting is down by watching streams and asking friends to play it seems.
The legend of Darien lives on
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 11 2013 21:23 GMT
#2705
On November 12 2013 06:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
na solo q isnt used by competitive teams to systematically scout talent, so theres no incentive to play tryhard solo q

and that's why it's fucking depressing.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 11 2013 21:33 GMT
#2706
On November 12 2013 06:20 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 06:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
na solo q isnt used by competitive teams to systematically scout talent, so theres no incentive to play tryhard solo q

Yup, NA scouting is down by watching streams and asking friends to play it seems.

NA scouting is down to seeing which 2011 name is a free agent and taking him.
Glorious SEA doto
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 11 2013 21:34 GMT
#2707
On November 12 2013 06:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
na solo q isnt used by competitive teams to systematically scout talent, so theres no incentive to play tryhard solo q



I still remember that game where Bischu played Nidalee in his promotion for Challenger on KR. The amount of control, player-synergy, awareness, mechanics etc. was just beyond any solo queue game i've ever seen.
hi
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 11 2013 21:34 GMT
#2708
poor Alex Ich lol was challenger 90% of season 3 decayed into Diamond during worlds. Worked his way back up to a challenger promo during the last couple of days/week. He has ~ 2 hours to win his promo now and some high elo players are (perhaps) troll q dodging him.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#2709
you mean the one where his team got destroyed and Flame Jax almost hard carried it from the ashes?
Carrilord has arrived.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#2710
On November 12 2013 06:35 Slusher wrote:
you mean the one where his team got destroyed and Flame Jax almost hard carried it from the ashes?

I mostly remember it as as solid 30-40 minutes of bischu nerdgasming over it.
Glorious SEA doto
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 22:02:07
November 11 2013 21:52 GMT
#2711
hahaha watching alex ich stream for 10 minutes, 3 dodges so far, poor guy :p


ahaha and now when he finally got into a game, corki is trolling him

lol now the enemy is just throwing on purpose. Good guy enemy
hi
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 11 2013 21:57 GMT
#2712
On November 12 2013 06:52 Sponkz wrote:
hahaha watching alex ich stream for 10 minutes, 3 dodges so far, poor guy :p

He should not show his screen while in searching queue I think
The legend of Darien lives on
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 22:13:38
November 11 2013 22:11 GMT
#2713
Never thought I'd see a Zeal first Graves again, last hours before ranked lock is quite something. Well he had Zerkers+Alacrity enchant on top of that as his "second" item but last time I saw Graves do that enchants didn't exist yet so it doesn't count.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
November 11 2013 22:15 GMT
#2714
Isn't there also an issue with NA solo Q where most people in the D1 and Challenger ranks is full of more troll picks/players that EU and KR server, so looking to scout out players from solo Q in NA isn't as relevant.

Also, there's various people in NA solo Q who got to D1 or Challenger playing one champ or a VERY small champ select (Riven, Rengar, etc.) and don't have as large of a champ pool as other players (though you can say the same thing about a few NA pros as well).
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 11 2013 22:20 GMT
#2715
On November 12 2013 07:15 Kinie wrote:
Isn't there also an issue with NA solo Q where most people in the D1 and Challenger ranks is full of more troll picks/players that EU and KR server, so looking to scout out players from solo Q in NA isn't as relevant.

Also, there's various people in NA solo Q who got to D1 or Challenger playing one champ or a VERY small champ select (Riven, Rengar, etc.) and don't have as large of a champ pool as other players (though you can say the same thing about a few NA pros as well).

It's a vicious cycle. You're saying NA soloQ is terrible because NA soloQ is terrible.

It just doesn't work this way. The day more players will really tryhard to get to challenger, the mentality will change because «high elo streamers» will fall back to low D1.
The legend of Darien lives on
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 11 2013 22:24 GMT
#2716
When hotshot tried to make the 1 trick pony thing an issue Bishu said it's actually far more common on KR because people care so much about their mmr they only play their best champion.

I for one often just play whatever the fuck I feel like playing, because spamming the smae champion is not fun for me. When there was a lag on NA realizing how good Jayce was I could have literally played him every game if I wanted to but I could only play so much Jayce.
Carrilord has arrived.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
November 11 2013 22:24 GMT
#2717
On November 12 2013 07:20 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 07:15 Kinie wrote:
Isn't there also an issue with NA solo Q where most people in the D1 and Challenger ranks is full of more troll picks/players that EU and KR server, so looking to scout out players from solo Q in NA isn't as relevant.

Also, there's various people in NA solo Q who got to D1 or Challenger playing one champ or a VERY small champ select (Riven, Rengar, etc.) and don't have as large of a champ pool as other players (though you can say the same thing about a few NA pros as well).

It's a vicious cycle. You're saying NA soloQ is terrible because NA soloQ is terrible.

It just doesn't work this way. The day more players will really tryhard to get to challenger, the mentality will change because «high elo streamers» will fall back to low D1.


There's no guarantee that day will ever come though since NA solo q is not an avenue to pro play and there's zero incentive to tryhard in solo q, so why would you expect the mentality to ever change?
TranslatorBaa!
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
November 11 2013 22:34 GMT
#2718
Maybe if sponsors/teams dropped shitty players quicker there would be.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 11 2013 22:37 GMT
#2719
I don't think it's a maybe, but at the same time personal stream exposure is still the big ticket. Right now in the off season Snapdragon is getting 8 hour+ days out of Oddone all at top 3 on twitch.

meanwhile CLG Link is out cast to Azubu.tv and his sponsors get IEM and battle of the atlantic until February.
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 11 2013 22:41 GMT
#2720
and appropriately to this page Dig announces Cruzer as their new top lane.

to be fair they did try new blood last time.
Carrilord has arrived.
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