EPT[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 133
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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drkcid
Spain196 Posts
On November 12 2013 00:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: No, her problem is the assassin meta. Cass is completely fine and needs no changes. She is unpopular because assassins can just jump on her with high mobility and kill her. These are just her bad matchups, and since everyone plays the assassin stuff, she doesn't see play. This, even if cass is not playing against an ssassin, the enemy jungler will babysit mid and make her life impossible. Past lvl 6 she can use her ult to gain some time and avoid ganks. She´s OP on ARAM at least. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
which place is Marin | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On November 12 2013 00:49 AsnSensation wrote: Faker #1 ... yeah which place is Marin probably name changed his account or he isnt in challenger. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
On November 12 2013 00:24 phyvo wrote: Keep in mind that spell ranges are about 120 less than they appear when you compare them to AA ranges, so 700 honestly isn't amazing. But the main thing is that most APs have a threat zone larger than Cass because they either have much higher mobility or much higher effective range and Cass is mostly skillshot DPS instead of burst (giving a lot more room for derpage). i don't know about most aps, but you're right that meta aps until recently had larger effective engage ranges. on that note, her disengage after being cc'd is quite poor and is a huge drawback in a ganktastic jungle meta | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
http://op.gg/summoner/userName=아옳옳옳아옳옳 he namechanged it the ladder is all over the place in terms of elo though, not very interesting given how many people got in at the last minute | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On November 11 2013 23:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: IDK if this got posted before but this montage is legit impressive, and if you know me, you know I'm usually never impressed by montages but omg the plays are unreal, definitely worth the watch. video After watching that video I got inspired to learn Cass. I think I'm really getting the hang of the hero. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QaeuWJT.png) Well the simple fact that he's 1-0, 0-0, 1-1 or stuff like that in most plays when a bunch of "highlight reels" have 10-2 people 2-3 levels ahead 100-0 squishies (typical Lee Sin montages yo) is already huge. Even when he's got a big score on one of them his team is losing hard so it's not like he was snowballing and stomping. | ||
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
On November 12 2013 00:54 UniversalSnip wrote: Does that mean the patch is being applied in korea Oce also got rewards done. Thus far no patch they just took down ranked queues and handed them out. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On November 12 2013 01:06 Alaric wrote: Well the simple fact that he's 1-0, 0-0, 1-1 or stuff like that in most plays when a bunch of "highlight reels" have 10-2 people 2-3 levels ahead 100-0 squishies (typical Lee Sin montages yo) is already huge. Even when he's got a big score on one of them his team is losing hard so it's not like he was snowballing and stomping. yea exactly idk why you guys arent impressed by it this is like the best montage video ever not like those hurp derp im 10-0 lee sin 5 levels up on support with bt hydra pressing qrq SUCH PLAYS MUCH SKILLS every single lee sin montage is shit fuck lee sin montages and fuck lee sin palyers | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 12 2013 01:06 Alaric wrote: Well the simple fact that he's 1-0, 0-0, 1-1 or stuff like that in most plays when a bunch of "highlight reels" have 10-2 people 2-3 levels ahead 100-0 squishies (typical Lee Sin montages yo) is already huge. Even when he's got a big score on one of them his team is losing hard so it's not like he was snowballing and stomping. Also, that triple kill into death by golem. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 12 2013 01:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: yea exactly idk why you guys arent impressed by it this is like the best montage video ever not like those hurp derp im 10-0 lee sin 5 levels up on support with bt hydra pressing qrq SUCH PLAYS MUCH SKILLS every single lee sin montage is shit fuck lee sin montages and fuck lee sin palyers because this is what it looks like to play Cass I agree he's a very good player, but there were honestly very few plays I was truly impressed with. Like, if you're playing Cass, you know how to do the vast majority of what he did, and you do it regularly. It always bugged me seeing Cass or Viktor plays on Protatomonster top 5 plays, cuz it was always like "ok, I do that on a regular basis". Sure, it looks cool, probably more so to people who don't play these champs, but it's mostly SOP. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On November 12 2013 01:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: because this is what it looks like to play Cass I agree he's a very good player, but there were honestly very few plays I was truly impressed with. Like, if you're playing Cass, you know how to do the vast majority of what he did, and you do it regularly. It always bugged me seeing Cass or Viktor plays on Protatomonster top 5 plays, cuz it was always like "ok, I do that on a regular basis". Sure, it looks cool, probably more so to people who don't play these champs, but it's mostly SOP. ?? everything about cass is positioning and outthinking/outmanuvering the other guy when you can do that at diamond 1 and make it look like you're shitstomping golds it's pretty impressive sure it's "what it looks like to play cass" cause, you know, he's playing cass, i dont know what you expect - montage videos where cass starts casting tibbers? o_O | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
then again some people said that wasn't very impressive either | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On November 12 2013 01:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: because this is what it looks like to play Cass I agree he's a very good player, but there were honestly very few plays I was truly impressed with. Like, if you're playing Cass, you know how to do the vast majority of what he did, and you do it regularly. It always bugged me seeing Cass or Viktor plays on Protatomonster top 5 plays, cuz it was always like "ok, I do that on a regular basis". Sure, it looks cool, probably more so to people who don't play these champs, but it's mostly SOP. So what you're saying is that cass mains always flash and gets kills in lane at lvl 4-5? :o | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Is challenger system fucked in korea as well? Where last minute challenger players get 7 day immunity and stuff? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
It felt like the enemies kept running in a straight line and didn't even make an effort to dodge the Qs... She has no issues chasing people down when they go in a straight line, that's almost always a certain kill if they have no jumps or a flash. When you deal with a dodger or when you get fought back against(with CC which they will have almost all the time), that's when there'll be issues. Up to 3 minutes, no impressive plays. It's more that people have no clue how much dmg Cassiopeia deals and just do stupid things than the Cassiopeia player being impressive. Actually many of these "highlights" have numerous mistakes performed by the Cassiopeia player... The last penta was well played, the only real highlight from what I could see | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On November 12 2013 02:05 Shikyo wrote: Well, yeah, that video wasn't that impressive, I feel o.O He even made plenty of mistakes. It felt like the enemies kept running in a straight line and didn't even make an effort to dodge the Qs... She has no issues chasing people down when they go in a straight line, that's almost always a certain kill if they have no jumps or a flash. When you deal with a dodger or when you get fought back against(with CC which they will have almost all the time), that's when there'll be issues. Up to 3 minutes, no impressive plays. It's more that people have no clue how much dmg Cassiopeia deals and just do stupid things than the Cassiopeia player being impressive. Actually many of these "highlights" have numerous mistakes performed by the Cassiopeia player... when shikyo tells you it's not impressive, you know for sure taht it was a godlike impressive video all the confirmation i needed thx | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On November 12 2013 01:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: because this is what it looks like to play Cass I agree he's a very good player, but there were honestly very few plays I was truly impressed with. Like, if you're playing Cass, you know how to do the vast majority of what he did, and you do it regularly. It always bugged me seeing Cass or Viktor plays on Protatomonster top 5 plays, cuz it was always like "ok, I do that on a regular basis". Sure, it looks cool, probably more so to people who don't play these champs, but it's mostly SOP. I partially agree with this, in the sense that I used to play a lot of Cass and that IS what every Cass player should in theory be able to do in order to play the champion as she's supposed to be played. The fact remains that the way the game is played right now she is inherently MORE difficult to play well and DO well, so while the plays in that video don't appear impressive to anyone who plays Cass or even don't look particularly flashy to the people who don't, the plays definitely ARE impressive. I think the problem with things like 'Top 5 Plays' or Lee videos is that just by nature of their kits there are many champions where regular or slightly impressive plays look WAY more impressive to the average viewer than a really good flash Vik Laser or something. I mean, specifically in the case of the really good Lee players I think the impressiveness of the plays is conveyed really well because not only does it LOOK impressive when they do something cool, but knowing what keyboard input and game knowledge/predictive ability is required to make some of those plays adds to the fact that many of the plays are truly only things that truly skilled players can do. | ||
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