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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 04:07:56
November 07 2013 04:07 GMT
#2081
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 12:47 zer0das wrote:
Let me be appear smart by saying "Triforce wasn't really buffed" and then say a statement immediately afterwards that directly contradicts that.

I'm really getting sick of people saying it was just changed- the phage proc was changed yes, the sheen proc was a straight up buff. Please stop being overly pedantic about this.

The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger.

specific citation or I call bullshit. Of course it was both.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 07 2013 04:08 GMT
#2082
Yes, which is why I think its inane people claim that triforce was merely changed: even assuming the phage proc is worse (its not), it would have to be made exceedingly worse for triforce to be worse off given the proc damage increase.

Or maybe its the same person claiming the same thing and then shrinking away when people refute it. I don't know.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
November 07 2013 04:09 GMT
#2083
On November 07 2013 13:08 zer0das wrote:
Yes, which is why I think its inane people claim that triforce was merely changed: even assuming the phage proc is worse (its not), it would have to be made exceedingly worse for triforce to be worse off given the proc damage increase.

Or maybe its the same person claiming the same thing and then shrinking away when people refute it. I don't know.


And the cost decrease
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 07 2013 04:10 GMT
#2084
On November 07 2013 13:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 07 2013 12:47 zer0das wrote:
Let me be appear smart by saying "Triforce wasn't really buffed" and then say a statement immediately afterwards that directly contradicts that.

I'm really getting sick of people saying it was just changed- the phage proc was changed yes, the sheen proc was a straight up buff. Please stop being overly pedantic about this.

The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger.

specific citation or I call bullshit. Of course it was both.

You can call bullshit all you want. It's common knowledge that Triforce was random and that Riot was trying to remove randomness from the game eg. in Jax's dodge.

Phage & Trinity Force’s Icy Passive

Summary: Phage and Trinity Force no longer have the “Icy” slow passive. Instead of a percentage chance to slow an enemy champion on hit, these items now grant movement speed for a short duration of time, along with even more movement speed on minion, monster, and champion kills. Frozen Mallet’s function remains unchanged, but its recipe has changed.

Context: Following the nerfs to Blade of the Ruined King, we wanted to create more tools to help bruisers stick to their targets. Ultimately we focused on in-skirmish mobility as a valuable and healthy stat for all champions.

But this is as close as I'll get to a citation. http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25496-patch-3-10a-notes

Nowhere in there do they say they wanted to buff triforce.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 07 2013 04:10 GMT
#2085
On November 07 2013 13:08 zer0das wrote:
Yes, which is why I think its inane people claim that triforce was merely changed: even assuming the phage proc is worse (its not), it would have to be made exceedingly worse for triforce to be worse off given the proc damage increase.

Or maybe its the same person claiming the same thing and then shrinking away when people refute it. I don't know.

inane. pedantic. Who's trying to appear smart now?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 07 2013 04:15 GMT
#2086
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger. And Jaxes often still build botrk first.

"appear smart"? lol. "This guy sounds like he disagrees with me on the internet. I'd better make up some shit about him and make veiled insults."


That was the intention of the *phage* change, not the triforce one.

It's not veiled, Triforce is simply better. If you can't even sit down an evaluate that, well... you're not putting much thought into it.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 07 2013 04:23 GMT
#2087
On November 07 2013 13:15 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger. And Jaxes often still build botrk first.

"appear smart"? lol. "This guy sounds like he disagrees with me on the internet. I'd better make up some shit about him and make veiled insults."


That was the intention of the *phage* change, not the triforce one.

It's not veiled, Triforce is simply better. If you can't even sit down an evaluate that, well... you're not putting much thought into it.

So you just tend to outright insult people when they disagree with you. Quality poster.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 07 2013 04:45 GMT
#2088
It's maybe somewhat debateable whether the change from Icy to Rage was a buff or not (IMO it most definitely was, Icy was so unreliable and weak that it was pretty useless for sticking, Rage is good), but Trinity's cost was decreased and the Spellblade passive (which is honestly the core desirable aspect of TF) received a large buff.

It's pretty indisputable that patch 3.10a was a HUGE buff to Trinity Force.
I am the Town Medic.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 07 2013 04:46 GMT
#2089
Triforce was buffed with the intention in mind that they want bruisers to have options to be able to stick to the opponents. Jax was just simply the one that received the most benefit of it. There're many other champions that can hold triforce without breaking the games, such as Irelia, Leesin, Shyvana, Tryn,... Nerfing Triforce instead of Jax will only result in people don't even care about that items for such champs anymore.
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
November 07 2013 04:47 GMT
#2090
On November 07 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
After watching all these Nidalee games in NACL lately... AP Nidalee should be destroyed. It's just way too dumb.

She's getting changed. The spear at least, someone screencapped bischu asking rf legendeary on his stream if he knew about the incoming change.
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 07 2013 04:51 GMT
#2091
On November 07 2013 13:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 07 2013 12:47 zer0das wrote:
Let me be appear smart by saying "Triforce wasn't really buffed" and then say a statement immediately afterwards that directly contradicts that.

I'm really getting sick of people saying it was just changed- the phage proc was changed yes, the sheen proc was a straight up buff. Please stop being overly pedantic about this.

The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger.

specific citation or I call bullshit. Of course it was both.

You can call bullshit all you want. It's common knowledge that Triforce was random and that Riot was trying to remove randomness from the game eg. in Jax's dodge.

Show nested quote +
Phage & Trinity Force’s Icy Passive

Summary: Phage and Trinity Force no longer have the “Icy” slow passive. Instead of a percentage chance to slow an enemy champion on hit, these items now grant movement speed for a short duration of time, along with even more movement speed on minion, monster, and champion kills. Frozen Mallet’s function remains unchanged, but its recipe has changed.

Context: Following the nerfs to Blade of the Ruined King, we wanted to create more tools to help bruisers stick to their targets. Ultimately we focused on in-skirmish mobility as a valuable and healthy stat for all champions.

But this is as close as I'll get to a citation. http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25496-patch-3-10a-notes

Nowhere in there do they say they wanted to buff triforce.

They never said they wanted to buff Triforce, sure, but the fact of the matter is, they did. Triforce got a 33% increase in damage and the chasing aspect of the item was also buffed. Regardless of what Riot thought or what their intentions were, Triforce got a major buff not because of the Phage change.

Quite frankly, they should've seen it coming, but now they have to nerf Jax and Corki to compensate.
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
November 07 2013 04:53 GMT
#2092
On November 07 2013 13:23 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:15 zer0das wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger. And Jaxes often still build botrk first.

"appear smart"? lol. "This guy sounds like he disagrees with me on the internet. I'd better make up some shit about him and make veiled insults."


That was the intention of the *phage* change, not the triforce one.

It's not veiled, Triforce is simply better. If you can't even sit down an evaluate that, well... you're not putting much thought into it.

So you just tend to outright insult people when they disagree with you. Quality poster.


This is pretty low quality trolling if you're trying to imply triforce was anything but outright buffed. Pick something that at least sounds somewhat plausible next time.
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 07 2013 05:02 GMT
#2093
On November 07 2013 13:53 Thermia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:23 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:15 zer0das wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger. And Jaxes often still build botrk first.

"appear smart"? lol. "This guy sounds like he disagrees with me on the internet. I'd better make up some shit about him and make veiled insults."


That was the intention of the *phage* change, not the triforce one.

It's not veiled, Triforce is simply better. If you can't even sit down an evaluate that, well... you're not putting much thought into it.

So you just tend to outright insult people when they disagree with you. Quality poster.


This is pretty low quality trolling if you're trying to imply triforce was anything but outright buffed. Pick something that at least sounds somewhat plausible next time.

Have you heard about Kassadin and Ohmwrecker?
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 07 2013 05:07 GMT
#2094
On November 07 2013 13:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 07 2013 12:47 zer0das wrote:
Let me be appear smart by saying "Triforce wasn't really buffed" and then say a statement immediately afterwards that directly contradicts that.

I'm really getting sick of people saying it was just changed- the phage proc was changed yes, the sheen proc was a straight up buff. Please stop being overly pedantic about this.

The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger.

specific citation or I call bullshit. Of course it was both.

You can call bullshit all you want. It's common knowledge that Triforce was random and that Riot was trying to remove randomness from the game eg. in Jax's dodge.

Show nested quote +
Phage & Trinity Force’s Icy Passive

Summary: Phage and Trinity Force no longer have the “Icy” slow passive. Instead of a percentage chance to slow an enemy champion on hit, these items now grant movement speed for a short duration of time, along with even more movement speed on minion, monster, and champion kills. Frozen Mallet’s function remains unchanged, but its recipe has changed.

Context: Following the nerfs to Blade of the Ruined King, we wanted to create more tools to help bruisers stick to their targets. Ultimately we focused on in-skirmish mobility as a valuable and healthy stat for all champions.

But this is as close as I'll get to a citation. http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25496-patch-3-10a-notes

Nowhere in there do they say they wanted to buff triforce.

realest thing I've ever heard.

triforce sucks
triforce gets an incredibly obvious buff
riot says they want to reduce randomness on it
riot doesn't say they want to buff it
ergo, they didn't want to buff it
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
November 07 2013 05:22 GMT
#2095
On November 07 2013 14:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 13:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 07 2013 13:06 obesechicken13 wrote:
On November 07 2013 12:47 zer0das wrote:
Let me be appear smart by saying "Triforce wasn't really buffed" and then say a statement immediately afterwards that directly contradicts that.

I'm really getting sick of people saying it was just changed- the phage proc was changed yes, the sheen proc was a straight up buff. Please stop being overly pedantic about this.

The intention of the triforce change was to make the item more consistent. Not to make it stronger.

specific citation or I call bullshit. Of course it was both.

You can call bullshit all you want. It's common knowledge that Triforce was random and that Riot was trying to remove randomness from the game eg. in Jax's dodge.

Phage & Trinity Force’s Icy Passive

Summary: Phage and Trinity Force no longer have the “Icy” slow passive. Instead of a percentage chance to slow an enemy champion on hit, these items now grant movement speed for a short duration of time, along with even more movement speed on minion, monster, and champion kills. Frozen Mallet’s function remains unchanged, but its recipe has changed.

Context: Following the nerfs to Blade of the Ruined King, we wanted to create more tools to help bruisers stick to their targets. Ultimately we focused on in-skirmish mobility as a valuable and healthy stat for all champions.

But this is as close as I'll get to a citation. http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25496-patch-3-10a-notes

Nowhere in there do they say they wanted to buff triforce.

realest thing I've ever heard.

triforce sucks
triforce gets an incredibly obvious buff
riot says they want to reduce randomness on it
riot doesn't say they want to buff it
ergo, they didn't want to buff it


This is also putting any credit into statements Riot gives about their intentions for changes. We've been on that road many times before.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 07 2013 05:52 GMT
#2096
what in the hell are you guys arguing about
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 05:59:37
November 07 2013 05:53 GMT
#2097
On November 07 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
After watching all these Nidalee games in NACL lately... AP Nidalee should be destroyed. It's just way too dumb.

Not a single game in worlds I believe. Or at least as ap mid. She always have a cycle of op'd ness whenever other stuff gets nerfed. She's a lot harder to pull off in coordinated environment imo

I think we can all agree what Riot intended is not always what happens.
liftlift > tsm
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
November 07 2013 06:16 GMT
#2098
Sounds dumb and seemed to only work because I was laning with baddies, but Top lane Noct going Hydra first is scary.

Or just Nocturne with farm in general.
Forever Young
fasdaf
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
138 Posts
November 07 2013 06:37 GMT
#2099
On November 07 2013 14:53 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
After watching all these Nidalee games in NACL lately... AP Nidalee should be destroyed. It's just way too dumb.

Not a single game in worlds I believe. Or at least as ap mid. She always have a cycle of op'd ness whenever other stuff gets nerfed. She's a lot harder to pull off in coordinated environment imo

I think we can all agree what Riot intended is not always what happens.

Nagne, game 3 against Alex Ich Gragas.
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
November 07 2013 06:39 GMT
#2100
why the fuck does Jax have 350 movespeed anyways when he has an low cd jump and buys triforce for even more speed
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