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[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 106

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TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
November 07 2013 06:51 GMT
#2101
On November 07 2013 15:37 fasdaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 14:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 07 2013 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
After watching all these Nidalee games in NACL lately... AP Nidalee should be destroyed. It's just way too dumb.

Not a single game in worlds I believe. Or at least as ap mid. She always have a cycle of op'd ness whenever other stuff gets nerfed. She's a lot harder to pull off in coordinated environment imo

I think we can all agree what Riot intended is not always what happens.

Nagne, game 3 against Alex Ich Gragas.


Might not be worth counting, but iirc OMG used it against Lemondogs in that weird veigar comp they did.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 07 2013 06:58 GMT
#2102
On November 07 2013 15:39 GARO wrote:
why the fuck does Jax have 350 movespeed anyways when he has an low cd jump and buys triforce for even more speed

Why not? He needs to be in melee range to do anything. Probably the better answer is "because he's old and a bunch of old melee champs have high movespeed"

Like why does pantheon have 355 movespeed
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
November 07 2013 07:06 GMT
#2103
On November 07 2013 15:16 sung_moon wrote:
Sounds dumb and seemed to only work because I was laning with baddies, but Top lane Noct going Hydra first is scary.

Or just Nocturne with farm in general.


Noct is very strong in lane and with farm. His complete inability to control his pushing due to passive is the reason he doesn't get serious play.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 07 2013 07:12 GMT
#2104
On November 07 2013 16:06 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 15:16 sung_moon wrote:
Sounds dumb and seemed to only work because I was laning with baddies, but Top lane Noct going Hydra first is scary.

Or just Nocturne with farm in general.


Noct is very strong in lane and with farm. His complete inability to control his pushing due to passive is the reason he doesn't get serious play.



Which is kinda sad. Imagine mid-lane nocturne with blue buff going ham all the time with mass-roaming!
hi
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 07 2013 07:13 GMT
#2105
we'll get to see what farmed noct looks like regularly next patch I expect
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 07:24:08
November 07 2013 07:22 GMT
#2106
On November 07 2013 15:39 GARO wrote:
why the fuck does Jax have 350 movespeed anyways when he has an low cd jump and buys triforce for even more speed

350 movespeed really isn't that much for melees. It's above average, but only by 5. I suppose you could make the argument to lower his movespeed down to 345, but honestly 350 movespeed isn't even close to what is OP about Jax if anything is.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 07 2013 07:27 GMT
#2107
i remember in last champions winter they played mid nocturne as a tf counter and it raped face
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 07 2013 07:33 GMT
#2108
On November 07 2013 15:39 GARO wrote:
why the fuck does Jax have 350 movespeed anyways when he has an low cd jump and buys triforce for even more speed

omg y the fuck does Yi has 355 ms when he buys zeals and mobies for even more speed!!
God Bless
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 07 2013 07:42 GMT
#2109
Mid Vi is another jungler that is way more fun when you get farmed up.
Freeeeeeedom
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 07 2013 08:19 GMT
#2110
Almost every jungler is more fun when you get farmed but the meanie laners don't let us farm :[
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
November 07 2013 10:04 GMT
#2111
On November 07 2013 17:19 Ryuu314 wrote:
Almost every jungler is more fun when you get farmed but the meanie laners don't let us farm :[


Hey I mid. I carry. You lowly Jungler. Don't gank lane again noob.
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
November 07 2013 10:19 GMT
#2112
5 promo series later.. diamond4.

fk u trolls
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 10:54:43
November 07 2013 10:46 GMT
#2113
On November 07 2013 13:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
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On November 07 2013 13:08 zer0das wrote:
Yes, which is why I think its inane people claim that triforce was merely changed: even assuming the phage proc is worse (its not), it would have to be made exceedingly worse for triforce to be worse off given the proc damage increase.

Or maybe its the same person claiming the same thing and then shrinking away when people refute it. I don't know.

inane. pedantic. Who's trying to appear smart now?

Wait, what, so now if you dare to use formal language you're automatically classified as a wannabe smartass?

Also I prefer Vi from the jungle, Vault Breaker loses a bunch of its appeal in lane I find, I prefer to just drop wards and get on the enemy jungler's ass or wait for my laners to bait aggro. It's a bit like Fiddle mid: sure, it works, but it's not nearly as fun as popping in from a bush with your ult or the good ole Terrify.

Malph and Nautilus are exceptions because they're badasses like that, but I'm not sold on Nautilus' viability in lane. It was fun when he was released though.


As for Phage, slows > MS buffs in most situations because they allow your teammates to catch up, increase the window for your opponent to reach his safety zone (allies, towers, etc.). Add to this that slows are inherently stronger by virtue of being applied last, meaning if you rely on a slow you can "counter" an enemy speed-up, and avoid having your gap closing/chasing option "countered" by a slow (Zilean's E doesn't mean shit if Cait hits her net on you, you won't get back in dash range).
On the other hand MS buffs are often easier to apply than slows (since in most cases they're self-applied, the Rage passive being an exception), and in Phage's case on "pure melees" like Jax, ult-less Irelia, Wukong, etc. it makes it easier to get in range to begin with.
Assuming both be 100% trigger chance, I'd rather have the slow (I remember playing Jax vs Shen right before and after the patch, didn't do nearly as much damage with Rage than with an early Icy proc because Shen would get to tower much faster so I'd hit less anyway, till I was strong enough to dive), but since icy was so inconsistent and sometimes you got RNG'd, Rage is stronger in the long run.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
November 07 2013 11:33 GMT
#2114
Speaking of Zilean, I'm sure I'm late to the party on this (by like years), but are his W and E icons around the wrong way?
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 07 2013 11:42 GMT
#2115
They just made the slow more consistent by changing it to champion-based MSPD increase. That however made the old trinity force users proper again, because the likes of irelia/shen/jax being able to chase more, obviously makes them stronger.
hi
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
November 07 2013 12:49 GMT
#2116
Anybody else fed up with 0 information on the next champion? It's close to a month now and we know absolutely diddly.

This whole champ a month thing was decent, but with the way they've dragged on the gaps just makes me bored.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21957 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 13:00:03
November 07 2013 12:59 GMT
#2117
On November 07 2013 21:49 Gahlo wrote:
Anybody else fed up with 0 information on the next champion? It's close to a month now and we know absolutely diddly.

This whole champ a month thing was decent, but with the way they've dragged on the gaps just makes me bored.

And I thank Riot for it. The longer the gaps between champions the better it is for the game at this point. We already have way more champions then needed.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 07 2013 13:06 GMT
#2118
Eh, season 4 is coming. They've got a bunch on their plate and it'd be a bit absurd to release a champion at the same time as these changes since there's going to be a lot of adjusting and tweaking to do, it would only make his post-release a potential nightmare for the first few months (especially if it was Ao Shin since he's an utility mage and they're looking into making that scale too; luckily there's another one before him).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 07 2013 13:50 GMT
#2119
You can get farmed from the jungle you just have to actively search for it instead of being led by the winds of fate
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 07 2013 13:53 GMT
#2120
On November 06 2013 02:16 zer0das wrote:
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On November 06 2013 02:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Ranked 1v1s: a rotating cast of Heimer, Riven, and Sivir.

Edit: Oh, also Zed and Nasus, probably.


Nasus will suck in 1v1. Why would anyone pick Nasus? No time to farm your q, your kill potential is like zero for the longest time. I don't see why anyone would pick Sivir over Quinn or Draven. Ricochet is a glorious autoreset in a 1v1 situation, and her ult does almost nothing other than make her move really fast.



kill potential only zero for like 7 levels
but probably not good if everyones playing ranged ads, can just pick fiora for that gg

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