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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 15 2013 01:18 onlywonderboy wrote: Dammit, I hate Curse for runing ggLA but I also still like Quas. FUCK I'M SO CONFLICTED. Gonna have to write an update T_T Yankees tho | ||
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
this just goes to show that despite all the empty talk about wanting a promote a robust and competitive NA scene, when push comes to shove, people care more about "personalities" and "friendships" than actually trying to form a winning team. it's a business folks. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
On October 15 2013 02:29 oneofthem wrote: this is not how sports progress. raiding lower tier teams and treating players this way only leads to stagnation and further stratification. yeah, this is the step that leads to players and organizations having a more acute sense of protection and signing contracts and instating a system and shit if this never happened no one would've realized the need for a system in place to regulate this kind of stuff there is also nothing inherently wrong with stratification. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
On October 15 2013 02:46 oneofthem wrote: stratification and stagnation goes hand in hand. there's no pressure on top teams within a region to be better, if they can just destroy up and coming teams with moves like these they couldve poached c9 like this but they didnt besides poaching ppl brings good players into the the top flight and helps improve the top tier | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
That's terrible management, even if the roster changes make for a better team - you've alienated the face of the team, and established that players can't trust Curse's "front office" so to speak. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 15 2013 02:50 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: they couldve poached c9 like this but they didnt besides poaching ppl brings good players into the the top flight and helps improve the top tier point is, had they poached c9, they would not have progressed the scene like real sports. cleveland browns was a yankees farm team for decades and that did not improve baseball. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 15 2013 02:50 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: they couldve poached c9 like this but they didnt besides poaching ppl brings good players into the the top flight and helps improve the top tier Leads to entrenched teams with no way for new teams to pop up. Need a good balance of player mobility and team mobility. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
On October 15 2013 02:57 oneofthem wrote: point is, had they poached c9, they would not have progressed the scene like real sports. cleveland browns was a yankees farm team for decades and that did not improve baseball. Your analogy is wonky. The players in question were still in the MLB (also, KC Royals, Yankees farm team - still same league). Real sports use lesser leagues to improve the main league's player base, at the expense of the skill in the lesser leagues. The entire purpose of "minor" leagues and other organizations in traditional sports is to identify the best players and filter them to the top. Esports differs mildly because teams can still move vertically through the leagues with relative ease. Curse is skipping a step and deciding that the Challenger teams are now its minor league system. More evenly distributed $$$ and/or restrictions on player movement are required before this will stop. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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remedium
United States939 Posts
On October 15 2013 03:10 Numy wrote: It's more the case of the timing of all this. If curse was trialing people than they could have said so to the people involved and done it over a period before the roster lock happened. Instead 2 players are no without a team right before the deadline for this promotion and a team is without their core. Poaching happens but really dick timing honestly and not just to ggLA but more so to aphro and probelter It's definitely mind-bottling that Curse didn't realize a high school student wasn't going to drop everything and train 24/7 with them. How does that not come up in the very first conversation? All I have to say is, coLbelter. MAKE IT HAPPEN | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
I would like things to be like in european soccer: if your team fucks up the season real bad, it gets demoted. There is zero reason to allow teams to get 2-3 months off before playing demotion series, allowing them to poach players from the same teams they will face in it. Add to this the fact that the challenger teams have nothing to offer to their players as long as they aren't qualified (except Quantic, but it's not really the norm), and you have a recipe for this kind of disaster. What LCS is on the way to become is some kind of NBA closed league which doesn't say it's name, and I don't like it. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 15 2013 06:10 Anakko wrote: Also I don't like the fact that established organizations have literally zero chance to get kicked out of LCS as long as they have the money to poach good players from challenger teams. I would like things to be like in european soccer: if your team fucks up the season real bad, it gets demoted. There is zero reason to allow teams to get 2-3 months off before playing demotion series, allowing them to poach players from the same teams they will face in it. Add to this the fact that the challenger teams have nothing to offer to their players as long as they aren't qualified (except Quantic, but it's not really the norm), and you have a recipe for this kind of disaster. What LCS is on the way to become is some kind of NBA closed league which doesn't say it's name, and I don't like it. Actually it annoys me because i dont think Curse will make it through relegations thanks to these moves. The time it takes to synergize with a team, and in addition the emphasis LoL has on teamwork over individual merit is enough to say that Curse should take more time with what they have rather than be the new CLG | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On October 15 2013 06:06 Slusher wrote: Hubert has always provided whatever his team needs, gotten whoever Liquid tells him to get, and they've never been able to be "the team". Yet Liquid is still the manager after all this time. I agree with your line of thinking. It seems like the entire League scene hasn't yet realized that bad management and/or bad coaching can cause a team to do poorly just as easily as bad players. The fact that players are managing or coaching themselves for many teams exacerbates this. | ||
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