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remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
September 04 2013 15:28 GMT
#161
re: ranked teams season 3 rewards

Do you need 10 wins in a specific mode, or 10 wins with the team across modes (e.g. 10-0 3v3, or 5-0 3v3, 5-0 5v5).
Stay positive!
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
September 04 2013 15:29 GMT
#162
On September 04 2013 23:39 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 23:06 thenexusp wrote:
Don't think this has been posted yet ...

http://velocityesports.com/team-update/

tl;dr: frommaplestreet moves to mid, slackoh is VES's new marksman

You guys realize Riot still uses AD to refer to the position, right? The marksman change only affected the champion tags.

Oh I realize it, but the linked article literally actually uses "marksman" to refer to slackoh's position.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
September 04 2013 15:31 GMT
#163
On September 05 2013 00:29 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 23:39 onlywonderboy wrote:
On September 04 2013 23:06 thenexusp wrote:
Don't think this has been posted yet ...

http://velocityesports.com/team-update/

tl;dr: frommaplestreet moves to mid, slackoh is VES's new marksman

You guys realize Riot still uses AD to refer to the position, right? The marksman change only affected the champion tags.

Oh I realize it, but the linked article literally actually uses "marksman" to refer to slackoh's position.

literally actually totally completely really truly?
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 04 2013 15:32 GMT
#164
Hey I'm not sure if I should open a new thread for this, maybe it would be a good idea, but I might aswell ask here first:

Are any TLers from Berlin, Germany active here? I wonder if there's any sort of public viewing going on for the S3 Finals
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
September 04 2013 15:35 GMT
#165
On September 05 2013 00:13 onlywonderboy wrote:
When the screen comes up that compares the players by position it still says AD. Must just be preference of the caster then, would prefer some consistency though.


Yeah, I'm not even sure they said marksmen every time, I just remember hearing marksman because it sounded weird.
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Metafour
Profile Joined November 2011
United States137 Posts
September 04 2013 15:42 GMT
#166
Favorite fix this patch is the undo button in the shop. Took them long enough...
"As you think, so shall you become." @JayJackson94
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 04 2013 15:50 GMT
#167
On September 04 2013 23:55 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 23:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 04 2013 23:39 57 Corvette wrote:
I am thinking about just playing Swain every game I can in ranked. I'm 16-5 with him so far and now that Vlad is getting really popular for some reason..

The build I have been going isn't the best, but so far Dring > Chalice/Seekers into Rylais + SV + Hourglass has been getting me through ranked games pretty easily.

RoA might be a better item, but I never really was a fan of it in general. It probably is better for HP than Rylais but I am making excuses in my head why Rylais is better that don't really make sense.


Oooooh Swain, I forgot about him.

What runes/masteries you running?


Mpen/Armour/MR/MS for runes, I run either an offensive page or a defensive page.


Have you tried 21/9/0? That's what I normally run on all of my mids.
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Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
September 04 2013 16:24 GMT
#168
On September 05 2013 00:32 UmberBane wrote:
Hey I'm not sure if I should open a new thread for this, maybe it would be a good idea, but I might aswell ask here first:

Are any TLers from Berlin, Germany active here? I wonder if there's any sort of public viewing going on for the S3 Finals

And on this note, any potential viewing parties in either the Amsterdam or Brussels region? Willing to travel for barcrafts.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 04 2013 16:30 GMT
#169
On September 05 2013 00:32 UmberBane wrote:
Hey I'm not sure if I should open a new thread for this, maybe it would be a good idea, but I might aswell ask here first:

Are any TLers from Berlin, Germany active here? I wonder if there's any sort of public viewing going on for the S3 Finals


Pretty sure meltdownbar in kreuzberg will have public viewing.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 04 2013 16:30 GMT
#170
The fuck did i press to make minion and champion health not show?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
September 04 2013 16:36 GMT
#171
On September 05 2013 01:30 sylverfyre wrote:
The fuck did i press to make minion and champion health not show?


press L

if it doesnt work press it like twice in a row
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 04 2013 16:45 GMT
#172
On September 05 2013 01:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 01:30 sylverfyre wrote:
The fuck did i press to make minion and champion health not show?


press L

if it doesnt work press it like twice in a row

Tried that, then i went into the menu and used 'reset HUD' to fix it when that didn't work. I got 4 cs in the first 5 minutes though because i coudlnt see minion healht.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 04 2013 16:50 GMT
#173
try ctrl or shift L
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
September 04 2013 16:50 GMT
#174
weird L always worked for me just pres it like crazy? idk @@
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 04 2013 16:51 GMT
#175
On September 05 2013 01:45 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 01:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 05 2013 01:30 sylverfyre wrote:
The fuck did i press to make minion and champion health not show?


press L

if it doesnt work press it like twice in a row

Tried that, then i went into the menu and used 'reset HUD' to fix it when that didn't work. I got 4 cs in the first 5 minutes though because i coudlnt see minion healht.

It's just like lifting near capacity, keep doing it and you'll become a godly cser.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 16:56:10
September 04 2013 16:53 GMT
#176
On September 04 2013 23:55 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 23:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 04 2013 23:39 57 Corvette wrote:
I am thinking about just playing Swain every game I can in ranked. I'm 16-5 with him so far and now that Vlad is getting really popular for some reason..

The build I have been going isn't the best, but so far Dring > Chalice/Seekers into Rylais + SV + Hourglass has been getting me through ranked games pretty easily.

RoA might be a better item, but I never really was a fan of it in general. It probably is better for HP than Rylais but I am making excuses in my head why Rylais is better that don't really make sense.


Oooooh Swain, I forgot about him.

What runes/masteries you running?


Mpen/Armour/MR/MS for runes, I run either an offensive page or a defensive page.

You should rebalance your masteries a bit. The 9th point and 21st point in most trees provides a power spike, so having 8 and 10 in different trees is usually suboptimal.

This is a common 21/9/0 AP mid mastery page. If you really want, you can move the Butcher points into Havoc, but generally I think getting a few extra CS is worth more than 2% damage (20 damage on a 1000 damage combo). You can also shuffle around the armor/MR points depending on who you're facing (e.g., you'd want the armor against an AD mid or an AP mid that auto-attacks a lot).

Another common AP mid mastery page is 21/0/9, sacrificing some tankiness for longer blue buff and more mana regen.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 04 2013 17:02 GMT
#177
When playing Swain I like taking the brute force mastery too, since you tend to auto a lot when trading, and you're also pretty reliant on autoattacks to fight people pushing you with spells, so every bit helps. I don't take Spellsword because of it (needs 30 AP to beat a point put in brute force instead, 60 to beat 2 points; obviously depending on your marks your magic damage is actually reduced less than your physical one).
Maybe I could drop a point from havoc to spellsword.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
September 04 2013 17:02 GMT
#178
10 wins, jeez. That's actually so many in premade 5s. I wish it was 5 or so.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 17:03:43
September 04 2013 17:03 GMT
#179
are there any test which compare dmg difference between 9-x-x vs 21-x-x masteries?
i feel like ap portion of 9++ masteries arent particular good, +6ap and 5% ap doesnt seem like significant change compared to what defensive masteries provide
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 17:19:13
September 04 2013 17:06 GMT
#180
On September 05 2013 01:53 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 23:55 57 Corvette wrote:
On September 04 2013 23:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 04 2013 23:39 57 Corvette wrote:
I am thinking about just playing Swain every game I can in ranked. I'm 16-5 with him so far and now that Vlad is getting really popular for some reason..

The build I have been going isn't the best, but so far Dring > Chalice/Seekers into Rylais + SV + Hourglass has been getting me through ranked games pretty easily.

RoA might be a better item, but I never really was a fan of it in general. It probably is better for HP than Rylais but I am making excuses in my head why Rylais is better that don't really make sense.


Oooooh Swain, I forgot about him.

What runes/masteries you running?


Mpen/Armour/MR/MS for runes, I run either an offensive page or a defensive page.

You should rebalance your masteries a bit. The 9th point and 21st point in most trees provides a power spike, so having 8 and 10 in different trees is usually suboptimal.

This is a common 21/9/0 AP mid mastery page. If you really want, you can move the Butcher points into Havoc, but generally I think getting a few extra CS is worth more than 2% damage (20 damage on a 1000 damage combo). You can also shuffle around the armor/MR points depending on who you're facing (e.g., you'd want the armor against an AD mid or an AP mid that auto-attacks a lot).

Another common AP mid mastery page is 21/0/9, sacrificing some tankiness for longer blue buff and more mana regen.


I feel like we've been through this before.

Havoc is amazing on APs, Sorcery is terrible. There is a reason why they've said for S4 they're buffing Sorcery from 4% to 5%.

Very few AP mids where I'd prefer 3% CDR over 2% damage.

Early game 2% damage is going to be better (autos), and late game you're either a mid who maxes out on CDR with items or is more concerned with damage than CDR and that's why you're not building CDR.

What is everybodies obsession with Havoc being bad, it's almost the best mastery in the offense tree and we've mathematically proven it several times at this point.

On September 05 2013 02:03 kongoline wrote:
are there any test which compare dmg difference between 9-x-x vs 21-x-x masteries?
i feel like ap portion of 9++ masteries arent particular good, +6ap and 5% ap doesnt seem like significant change compared to what defensive masteries provide


You're not just getting +6 AP and 5% AP.

Assuming you go for the +6 AP over 2 AP and 3 AD (which I like a lot more on most mids, maybe not like Karthus or somebody), you're getting +6 AP, +5% AP, 5% of your AP on autoattacks, +2% damage, and +5% damage on targets under 50% HP.

The +5% AP stacks multiplicatively with the +30% on deathcap, making it 136.5% total. The +2% damage stacks multiplicatively with the +5% from Executioner, making that 107.1% total.

You also get much easier last hitting early game. Assuming you have 50 AD and 20 AP at the start of the game, going 9 in offense and taking Butcher you do 54 damage to last hit a minion. Going 21, even if you get 6 AP and not 2 AP and 3 AD, you do 59. With the 3 AD you do 62.

I do think the defensive tree is overall a little stronger than the offense tree, but you get way more than just 6 AP and 5% AP in the bonus stuff from offense. If your role on the team is damage, you should be building to do damage, in general.
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