EPT[Patch 3.10a: Worlds Balance] General Discussion - Page 96
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 29 2013 08:47 ReketSomething wrote: I play Alistar in ranked and have a 70% winrate (Plat now woo, but played Ali in Gold). They key to winning with Alistar is to: 1) Never use WQ. That shit has too high probability of fuck ups, lowering morale, confidence and all that shit for pretty little gain. Flash Q is super stable and you can W afterwards if you need a pickup. For example, if your jungler comes to gank, just flash Q instead of WQ because if you fuck up everyone is upset/sad. Only try if 100% sure they got away. 2) Never use Q/W when getting ganked to stay alive. Always save the spells and pretend you are about to die and then trollololol them into tower for free kills. In otherwords, lets say Mr. J4 is here to gank. Dont knock him away and laugh. Instead run in fear and panic as he slows you and tries to kill you, chasing you until tower range and then free EZ kill. Your combo next to tower can make them take like 5 tower shots. 3) Ward + other support duties. You are still a support, just a boss one. Oh, and also spam taunt in lane. Alistar combo is so easy how does it have a high probability of failing?Like if you don't feel confident you can land it just go in a custom game for 30 minutes and you will never fail it again.You may q without w sometimes if enemy has too much ms but then a flash wouldn't have worked either. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 29 2013 09:02 nafta wrote: Alistar combo is so easy how does it have a high probability of failing?Like if you don't feel confident you can land it just go in a custom game for 30 minutes and you will never fail it again.You may q without w sometimes if enemy has too much ms but then a flash wouldn't have worked either. While I don't think W>Q is hard, I agree with the sentiment to use it sparingly. IMO, its too fast for teammates to react properly (especially lategame; often when I am tired Ill use it way too much, go super ham, and just die). W is much better for peeling 90% of the time. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I do think alistar should be played as an initiator more than a peeler though, his ult gives him enough tankiness to survive incidental burst after initiating even when somewhat far behind, unlike what happens to J4 or lee if they go in while still squishy. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 29 2013 08:47 ReketSomething wrote: I play Alistar in ranked and have a 70% winrate (Plat now woo, but played Ali in Gold). They key to winning with Alistar is to: 1) Never use WQ. That shit has too high probability of fuck ups, lowering morale, confidence and all that shit for pretty little gain. Flash Q is super stable and you can W afterwards if you need a pickup. For example, if your jungler comes to gank, just flash Q instead of WQ because if you fuck up everyone is upset/sad. Only try if 100% sure they got away. 2) Never use Q/W when getting ganked to stay alive. Always save the spells and pretend you are about to die and then trollololol them into tower for free kills. In otherwords, lets say Mr. J4 is here to gank. Dont knock him away and laugh. Instead run in fear and panic as he slows you and tries to kill you, chasing you until tower range and then free EZ kill. Your combo next to tower can make them take like 5 tower shots. 3) Ward + other support duties. You are still a support, just a boss one. Oh, and also spam taunt in lane. I wouldn't saw WQ has a high probability of failing. It's just that it requires a lot more practice to pull off than other support cc/initiation combos and the cost of failing the combo is rather high. Once you get it down it's one of the best cc/initiation combos out of any champion in the game. The problem with Ali is that if you can't reliably do WQ your initiation ability is gated pretty severely by your flash and/or shurelyas cooldown. Whereas if you're playing Thresh or Blitz you're only gated by your pull cooldown. On top of that, Ali's cds are just so long he spends way too much time in fights doing nothing but pathetically whacking someone and hopefully spamming heals. A good Ali is damn scary to face at times though. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On August 29 2013 09:05 BlueBird. wrote: This game needs a way to go make a custom game with no cool downs, infinite money etc. long overdue | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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InfSunday
United States735 Posts
(I suppose this may constitute a better Loci post than general discussion, but... vayne discussion anyone? xD) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Maybe I will still stream---I feel like the only exciting matches will end up being the 3rd place match and the friday games anyway. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
conspiracy against me ever getting into gold imo | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On August 29 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh ok that's right it's playoffs so there aren't that many games to be played. Maybe I will still stream---I feel like the only exciting matches will end up being the 3rd place match and the friday games anyway. AKA predicting CLoud9 stomps lol TSM can take it, they really shine in series formats. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 29 2013 10:30 GhandiEAGLE wrote: AKA predicting CLoud9 stomps lol TSM can take it, they really shine in series formats. Hard to shine when they are playing for 5/6. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On August 29 2013 09:31 Amui wrote: I think I've only done flash headbutt pulv a couple of times. Huge risk, huge reward if you see like 3-4 people clumped up(especially carries). TBH I'd much rather just shurelya flash pulv->headbutt. I do think alistar should be played as an initiator more than a peeler though, his ult gives him enough tankiness to survive incidental burst after initiating even when somewhat far behind, unlike what happens to J4 or lee if they go in while still squishy. On August 29 2013 09:41 SnK-Arcbound wrote: The time when a 1.5 second aoe stun was good enough to play a champion was a long time ago. A team has to do shit horribly wrong to lose to an alistar. If you lose to alistar, you could lose to at least a half dozen other champions for the exact same reason. iam pretty sure there was a ogn game where madlife or someone played initiator alistar. ali also was better "along time ago" before his base damage, his scaling and his ult got nerfed. also the last statement is true for almost any champion with the heavy streamlining lol champions suffer. for each champion there are allways a couple other champs that do very similar things. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 29 2013 10:40 clickrush wrote: iam pretty sure there was a ogn game where madlife or someone played initiator alistar. ali also was better "along time ago" before his base damage, his scaling and his ult got nerfed. also the last statement is true for almost any champion with the heavy streamlining lol champions suffer. for each champion there are allways a couple other champs that do very similar things. The thing about initiator alistar, is I think its value is significantly increased organized play, because your team knows BEFORE you do it, and since his whole combo takes like .1 seconds to pull off, and only lasts for 1.5 seconds, which is kinda weak. Really, his power is in W's displacement effect, which is slightly better than Janna's if you can get off 2 in 1 fight. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 29 2013 09:57 thenexusp wrote: I kind of wish they would revert most of the nerfs they've made to alistar in s2, since those were presumably targeted at his OP jungle They did revert the nerfs that targetted his jungle (Headbutt range, base move speed) | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
The only frustrating thing is that stupid bug where a max range headbutt will knock someone over any wall, no matter how thick. If a champion is mid-wall then the game will automatically place them on the other side and that will mess up your combo. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On August 29 2013 08:47 ReketSomething wrote: I play Alistar in ranked and have a 70% winrate (Plat now woo, but played Ali in Gold). They key to winning with Alistar is to: 1) Never use WQ. That shit has too high probability of fuck ups, lowering morale, confidence and all that shit for pretty little gain. Flash Q is super stable and you can W afterwards if you need a pickup. For example, if your jungler comes to gank, just flash Q instead of WQ because if you fuck up everyone is upset/sad. Only try if 100% sure they got away. 2) Never use Q/W when getting ganked to stay alive. Always save the spells and pretend you are about to die and then trollololol them into tower for free kills. In otherwords, lets say Mr. J4 is here to gank. Dont knock him away and laugh. Instead run in fear and panic as he slows you and tries to kill you, chasing you until tower range and then free EZ kill. Your combo next to tower can make them take like 5 tower shots. 3) Ward + other support duties. You are still a support, just a boss one. Oh, and also spam taunt in lane. This game is already fairly easy mechanically. Taking the 10-15 games or so to learn how to consistently WQ is one of the top reasons to play ali imo. To each their own, i guess. If you focus on WQing early in lane, there isn't much danger to messing it up since it is free damage from w and you usually aren't chasing at that point. You just miss an opportunity but it isn't a huge fuck up like if you w someone out of range during a gank. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 29 2013 10:30 GhandiEAGLE wrote: AKA predicting CLoud9 stomps lol TSM can take it, they really shine in series formats. C9 is only 2-2 against Vulcun also. If we get a Vul v C9 finals it should at least be interesting. | ||
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