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On August 28 2013 16:39 Lylat wrote:
How can you even compare SC2 and LoL rankings ? Both games are totally different lol.. For example I was high master in SC2 but can't break Silver I in LoL..
It's pretty simple. You do it exactly as he did, and compare what percentage of the players falls into what bracket, since that is much more meaningful then any random way the game company names their leagues, or any other vague idea of skill you might have. Skill fundamentally means being able to beat other people, and if you are in the top 10%, (ignoring streaking) you are better at that than 90% of the people playing that game.
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On August 28 2013 16:39 Lylat wrote:
How can you even compare SC2 and LoL rankings ? Both games are totally different lol.. For example I was high master in SC2 but can't break Silver I in LoL..
I'm not saying that Masters in SC2 means you'll easily get Plat in LoL, just that someone who got to Masters in SC2 is roughly as skilled at that game as a Plat LoL player is at LoL (though getting Plat in LoL felt way easier than Masters in SC2).
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On August 28 2013 15:26 Sponkz wrote:
"Unlike previous years, the loading screen border trim you earn will be displayed in all queues. So, for example, if you reach Diamond in ranked 3v3, you’ll have a Diamond border trim when you head into solo queue."
FUCK YOU RIOT SERIOUSLY?
wait really is there a source
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On August 28 2013 13:03 Aldrovandi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 10:46 JALbert wrote:On August 28 2013 07:41 qanik wrote:
So Tier means nothing when it comes to season rewards? Because I'm pretty sure the difference between D5 and D1 is larger than Silver to plat, and they will get the same borders. I donno if I should be happy that I don't have to tryhard in yoloqueue for the rest of the season or sad that there will be "high elo" borders everywhere. Bronze V is wood league, High Bronze I is the equivalent of low Gold in SC2. Silver V is low Gold, high Silver I is the equivalent of low SC2 Diamond. Since people are always asking about this and I've always been curious myself, I put together a chart using info from sc2ranks and lolsummoners - + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bi5DuJK.png) In the last bar, Diamond 2-5 are black and Diamond 1 is yellow. Silver 1 is low-mid plat, gold 1 is high diamond.
My information may be dated (I played WoL) but wasn't SC2's system explicitly 20/20/20/20/18/2% with Grandmaster as a fixed number on top (a la Challenger league)? Or did they change this in HotS?
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These are the current goals they set for league distributions in HotS: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Battle.net_Leagues#The_Leagues
I don't know what would cause them to miss their targets by such a large amount though, always seemed like it should skew upwards. Also SC2ranks says there are only 93000 ranked players globally, have things gotten that dire for SC2?
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On August 28 2013 15:56 wussleeQ wrote:
not understanding why people don't like lucian in ranked. i literally am getting blamed for every loss when it's 100% not my fault lol. and i know by saying 100% not my fault people are going to say things but top was like 0-3 mid was 0-4 and jungle 0-4 with me being 0-1 at the time. i ended up going 5-3-4 and still ended up getting blamed for the loss. :l
Lucian has the problem of being a mid-range ad. The problem with this? He doesn't have the damage or mobility to back it up. It's why graves has almost entirely fallen off. Vayne is a mid-range ad, but has tons of ms, and steroids out the asshole. Varus is a mid-range ad, but he's also a caster, meaning he has damage out of fucking no where that is far outside his auto range. Lucian is some strange mid-range ad, short range caster. It's like the worst of both worlds. It's why corki kinda sucks, once he runs out of missiles (and no corki builds cdr) he's a short range caster on a mid-range ad. Lucian doesn't have what all the other 550 range champions have that is necessary to do your job. Right now you need to be able to do work on an ad with boots 2 and the 3000g dps item of your choice (usually botrk). It's a fundamental problem with the champion and criticism is fine, because you are handicapping yourself, meaning you need to do even more then your full share of 1/3 of the carry roles. You doing ok, or fine, isn't good enough.
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On August 28 2013 17:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 15:56 wussleeQ wrote:
not understanding why people don't like lucian in ranked. i literally am getting blamed for every loss when it's 100% not my fault lol. and i know by saying 100% not my fault people are going to say things but top was like 0-3 mid was 0-4 and jungle 0-4 with me being 0-1 at the time. i ended up going 5-3-4 and still ended up getting blamed for the loss. :l Lucian has the problem of being a mid-range ad. The problem with this? He doesn't have the damage or mobility to back it up. It's why graves has almost entirely fallen off. Vayne is a mid-range ad, but has tons of ms, and steroids out the asshole. Varus is a mid-range ad, but he's also a caster, meaning he has damage out of fucking no where that is far outside his auto range. Lucian is some strange mid-range ad, short range caster. It's like the worst of both worlds. It's why corki kinda sucks, once he runs out of missiles (and no corki builds cdr) he's a short range caster on a mid-range ad. Lucian doesn't have what all the other 550 range champions have that is necessary to do your job. Right now you need to be able to do work on an ad with boots 2 and the 3000g dps item of your choice (usually botrk). It's a fundamental problem with the champion and criticism is fine, because you are handicapping yourself, meaning you need to do even more then your full share of 1/3 of the carry roles. You doing ok, or fine, isn't good enough.
i realize not playing an ideal top tier character is crippling myself a bit but what i don't understand is how ignorant people just love to throw the blame on a champ that isn't the best at what he does and then attributing the entire loss to it. first a full ad wukong and then a teemo telling me this. i just don't know whether people really dislike lucian or people are just this stupid
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What is the main problem with middle fiddle?
Because each time i meet one, they are terror, but it does not appear to be very popular. Granted, i don't play middle, so i tend to only meet them later on in teamfights, when they somehow find the single bush i haven't warded and ult in the middle of my team killing all carries at the same time (Or they ult from somewhere they can be seen, but noone reacts fast enough) Maybe the complete reluctance of any carry to buy a QSS is the reason that is so scary.
I guess being so reliant on your ult that can be cancelled is the main problem, since if for some reason they don't get that ult off, their team loses the fight. I can also see his laning being problematic, but somehow they always come out of lane even or ahead, but the information asymmetry probably has something to do with that.
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On August 28 2013 18:10 Simberto wrote:
What is the main problem with middle fiddle?
Because each time i meet one, they are terror, but it does not appear to be very popular. Granted, i don't play middle, so i tend to only meet them later on in teamfights, when they somehow find the single bush i haven't warded and ult in the middle of my team killing all carries at the same time (Or they ult from somewhere they can be seen, but noone reacts fast enough) Maybe the complete reluctance of any carry to buy a QSS is the reason that is so scary.
I guess being so reliant on your ult that can be cancelled is the main problem, since if for some reason they don't get that ult off, their team loses the fight. I can also see his laning being problematic, but somehow they always come out of lane even or ahead, but the information asymmetry probably has something to do with that.
His biggest boon is probably his immunity to poke damage and short exchanges. you just fear and silence and then trololo drain your opponent or a minion and get full health again. Although fiddle is prone to ganks with no escape and being extremely squishy.
Everytime I see him he gets fed tho as he just pretends to gank bot and then insta kills my mid who is dumb enough to follow through the side bush. On top of that adcs really never buy qss in lower elo, like I have to shove it down their throats atleast 5 times till they stop building their uber cool dps item and finally get it
As for his weaknesses: 1. His vulnerability to ganks
2. Weak pushing as you dont max silence first, so he gets abused by strong clears like kha zix, zed,
etc.
3. can be absolutely removed from fights by e.g. alistar or lee sin making him useless
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On August 28 2013 03:27 Alaric wrote:
Marksman is faster to type makes my posts longer.
Say what you really mean Alaric.
So sad I won't get freelise. I started playing LoL at then end of season 1 so I missed Jarvan. I left for Lesotho during season 2 so I didn't get Janna (since I spent most of season 2 grinding to 30). And now I won't be home until the beginning of season 5!
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On August 28 2013 19:04 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 03:27 Alaric wrote:
Marksman is faster to type makes my posts longer. Say what you really mean Alaric. So sad I won't get freelise. I started playing LoL at then end of season 1 so I missed Jarvan. I left for Lesotho during season 2 so I didn't get Janna (since I spent most of season 2 grinding to 30). And now I won't be home until the beginning of season 5!
Better than being around but sucking too hard.
Never had a real desire to play Elise before, but Zeronis' artwork has been ultra BA for a while. IT really isn't fair that he's doing League work now. He makes everything look amazing.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On August 28 2013 19:09 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 19:04 JonGalt wrote:On August 28 2013 03:27 Alaric wrote:
Marksman is faster to type makes my posts longer. Say what you really mean Alaric. So sad I won't get freelise. I started playing LoL at then end of season 1 so I missed Jarvan. I left for Lesotho during season 2 so I didn't get Janna (since I spent most of season 2 grinding to 30). And now I won't be home until the beginning of season 5! Better than being around but sucking too hard. Never had a real desire to play Elise before, but Zeronis' artwork has been ultra BA for a while. IT really isn't fair that he's doing League work now. He makes everything look amazing.
true. there is no guarantee that I would be any better but I can definitely dream.
gonna be season 5 challenger ezpz
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On August 28 2013 16:48 Aldrovandi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 16:39 Lylat wrote:
How can you even compare SC2 and LoL rankings ? Both games are totally different lol.. For example I was high master in SC2 but can't break Silver I in LoL.. I'm not saying that Masters in SC2 means you'll easily get Plat in LoL, just that someone who got to Masters in SC2 is roughly as skilled at that game as a Plat LoL player is at LoL (though getting Plat in LoL felt way easier than Masters in SC2).
Oh yeah ok sure I misunderstood then, I thought you meant when you're in X division in SC2 you should be in X division in LoL..
On August 28 2013 16:41 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 16:39 Lylat wrote:
How can you even compare SC2 and LoL rankings ? Both games are totally different lol.. For example I was high master in SC2 but can't break Silver I in LoL.. Did you play OP zerg?
I played OP toss during beta (protoss was also my BW race), then switched to OP terran, stopped when Z was OP ^^
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On August 28 2013 19:27 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 16:48 Aldrovandi wrote:On August 28 2013 16:39 Lylat wrote:
How can you even compare SC2 and LoL rankings ? Both games are totally different lol.. For example I was high master in SC2 but can't break Silver I in LoL.. I'm not saying that Masters in SC2 means you'll easily get Plat in LoL, just that someone who got to Masters in SC2 is roughly as skilled at that game as a Plat LoL player is at LoL (though getting Plat in LoL felt way easier than Masters in SC2). Oh yeah ok sure I misunderstood then, I thought you meant when you're in X division in SC2 you should be in X division in LoL..
I'm curious to see the same thing for ranked 5's and see if it's more in line with the SC2 data.
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On August 28 2013 19:34 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 19:27 Lylat wrote:On August 28 2013 16:48 Aldrovandi wrote:On August 28 2013 16:39 Lylat wrote:
How can you even compare SC2 and LoL rankings ? Both games are totally different lol.. For example I was high master in SC2 but can't break Silver I in LoL.. I'm not saying that Masters in SC2 means you'll easily get Plat in LoL, just that someone who got to Masters in SC2 is roughly as skilled at that game as a Plat LoL player is at LoL (though getting Plat in LoL felt way easier than Masters in SC2). Oh yeah ok sure I misunderstood then, I thought you meant when you're in X division in SC2 you should be in X division in LoL.. I'm curious to see the same thing for ranked 5's and see if it's more in line with the SC2 data.
I'd doubt it. After all, those percentage values are something that is based on the formulas riot implemented for division allocation. Which i would guess are the same for arranged 5s as for soloqueue. And the whole thing should be completely independent of the general skilllevel of the populace, since each time someone wins, someone else loses. If everyone was suddenly 5 times as good as they are now, the percentages would not change in the slightest.
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On August 28 2013 20:02 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2013 19:34 Gahlo wrote:On August 28 2013 19:27 Lylat wrote:On August 28 2013 16:48 Aldrovandi wrote:On August 28 2013 16:39 Lylat wrote:
How can you even compare SC2 and LoL rankings ? Both games are totally different lol.. For example I was high master in SC2 but can't break Silver I in LoL.. I'm not saying that Masters in SC2 means you'll easily get Plat in LoL, just that someone who got to Masters in SC2 is roughly as skilled at that game as a Plat LoL player is at LoL (though getting Plat in LoL felt way easier than Masters in SC2). Oh yeah ok sure I misunderstood then, I thought you meant when you're in X division in SC2 you should be in X division in LoL.. I'm curious to see the same thing for ranked 5's and see if it's more in line with the SC2 data. I'd doubt it. After all, those percentage values are something that is based on the formulas riot implemented for division allocation. Which i would guess are the same for arranged 5s as for soloqueue. And the whole thing should be completely independent of the general skilllevel of the populace, since each time someone wins, someone else loses. If everyone was suddenly 5 times as good as they are now, the percentages would not change in the slightest.
True, but since it's a team game rating people by team, I expect there's a lot less noise in team ratings.
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On August 28 2013 15:56 wussleeQ wrote:
not understanding why people don't like lucian in ranked. i literally am getting blamed for every loss when it's 100% not my fault lol. and i know by saying 100% not my fault people are going to say things but top was like 0-3 mid was 0-4 and jungle 0-4 with me being 0-1 at the time. i ended up going 5-3-4 and still ended up getting blamed for the loss. :l
People don't like Lucian because he's new.
The community view of new champions is always OP BROKEN or WEAKER THAN HEIMER. It's also impossible to have explored the depth of how many situations he could/should be played so nobody really knows if they're playing him correctly, or how to build a team around him. It's easiest to blame the unknown.
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So I would like to try playing one of those cool TL inhouses but my NA account is pretty shitty. If anyone's got an account close to Gold but not quite there yet, with a decent spread of champions/runes, we might be able to work out a mutually beneficial arrangement (;
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On August 28 2013 22:03 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
So I would like to try playing one of those cool TL inhouses but my NA account is pretty shitty. If anyone's got an account close to Gold but not quite there yet, with a decent spread of champions/runes, we might be able to work out a mutually beneficial arrangement (;
or we could duoqueue in KR ;D
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