• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:27
CEST 02:27
KST 09:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers24Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group D Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1933 users

The Fizz Problem - Page 3

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 13 2013 18:05 GMT
#41
You probably want to just keep pushing and prevent him from roaming.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 13 2013 18:53 GMT
#42
On August 13 2013 16:58 gtrsrs wrote:
from my experience, fizz literally never has to use playful until you use Q. he can be patient and wait for you to engage and will always win.

if you trade autos, or trade below 75% hp, he'll win with his W being much better than yours and his auto range being higher (i think? at least it feels higher)

if he uses Q on you you can counter with your own Q as he'll likely not be able to hit it, but your E has to be delayed in order to ensure that it hits him after his Q, so he gets a free auto and blocks your escape. post-6 it's not AS huge cause you can jump away but pre-6 that's how he all-ins

sure, if he ever initiates with playful i will win 100%, but i've never seen a decent fizz use playful to initiate. it's always used as a counter-aggression move to void sphere (blocks the damage, positions him to retailate).

i didn't know that about riftwalk and shark though. i will def try that next time (if i survive to 6 -_-)

a lot of my success with kass has come from just being more patient than the other guy and winning after they aggress but it just feels like fizz always wins the patient game. so frustrating

You can dodge Fizz ult with any flash-type move. The damage is done a split second after the shark appears so you have to time your jump so that you move after the shark starts to appear, but before the damage is dealt. I've seen videos of people doing it, but never on purpose. It's really hard to actually time and dodge the damage consistently.

Fizz just wrecks Kassadin in my experience since Kass has to go into melee range to cs and Fizz just wrecks squishies in melee range.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
August 14 2013 05:16 GMT
#43
I may be late to the party here but check out my matchup information on Syndra vs Fizz in my Syndra guide:
http://www.lolking.net/guides/171823

Basically there are a couple pieces of information you should know going into the matchup:
1: If you don't give fizz kills and you farm safely you will be more valuable than him come mid/lategame
2: As such build tanky in your runes/masteries and items if necessary to ensure you don't feed him
3: Understand his cooldowns so you can punish them (go play some fizz games if you haven't already). This includes pressuring him hard level 1 to burn through his potions or even get him low so he's more cautious about allinning you
4: While you should always pressure fizz with harass, NEVER use your E or R before his playful/trickster is on CD. If you waste your E or R and he playfuls it you will be fucked. You need to harass with Q and sometimes W when it is appropriate, and only after he uses playful and is vulnerable should you stun and/or ult him.
5: If you are playing as said in point 4, the fizz will be pushed into a metaphorical corner while trying to farm. He will go in to cs, and you will harass him. Then he has a few options. A: Eat the harass to get the minion kill (win for you as you get free harass on him), B: Use urchin strike onto a minion or yourself to dodge your Q harass (partial win as he misses the cs, but you may take some damage in return). If he does this just use your W on him and Q and wait for his playful to E him afterwards. C: Playful to dodge the harass damage (win, he misses the cs and he is now vulnerable), in which case you stun him and drop tons of harass so that he is too weak to keep farming/going allin. D: dodge the harass just by moving (still a win for you because he misses the cs)

So basically it's actually fizz that suffers in this matchup if played properly by the syndra, because he has to work hard for every cs, and with every creep he gets you force him into a tough decision. If he eats too much harass getting cs he won't be able to cs anymore and you can zone. Thus most fizzes will get baited into just going allin every time you try to harass them. If you have a sufficiently tanky rune/mastery setup as I recommend for this matchup in my guide, then you won't die to his allin and you can pressure him hard while his abilities are on cooldown.

I play vs diamond fizzes all the time and the only way I lose is either a big misplay on my part or the enemy jungle camping my lane
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
PiGosaur Cup #68
CranKy Ducklings59
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft459
SpeCial 186
ProTech133
CosmosSc2 29
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5450
Artosis 648
910 53
NaDa 22
Dota 2
monkeys_forever502
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe184
Mew2King82
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor147
Other Games
summit1g10576
C9.Mang0527
JimRising 327
Maynarde105
minikerr2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick806
BasetradeTV236
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream187
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 86
• davetesta21
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21655
Other Games
• Scarra3038
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 33m
Afreeca Starleague
9h 33m
Leta vs YSC
GSL
1d 9h
Rogue vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Replay Cast
1d 23h
GSL
2 days
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
IPSL
5 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.