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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
August 19 2013 03:00 GMT
#5881
On August 19 2013 11:54 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 11:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


not rly ezreal was always strong when nothing changed people were just dumb and american ezreal no dmg etc etc

Oddone constantly talked about how bad ezreal was as an AD, then like 3-6 months later ezreal corki graves became the unstoppable triad. Oddone clearly has no clue what makes an AD carry good, but so many people watch his stream that whatever he says might as well be gospel.


Ezreal only became popular when people discovered W max first. Then riot buffed his Q to discourage W first.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 19 2013 03:01 GMT
#5882
On August 19 2013 11:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


not rly ezreal was always strong when nothing changed people were just dumb and american ezreal no dmg etc etc

Ya, I don't see ez mid really working against Kha'Zix when he was op'd, or winning easily against jayce.
liftlift > tsm
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 19 2013 03:02 GMT
#5883
All of you are also completely discounting his pretty significant mana cost buffs, which really really helped him out. Corki and Graves also got pretty significantly nerfed leading up to Ezreal's surge in popularity, which definitely helped Ez see more play. But it was mostly the mana cost buffs that made him get picked up as a staple pick.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 19 2013 03:10 GMT
#5884
I dunno, Graves' animation gets me a bit because he's pretty much standing still prior to hit, compared to other ADs I've played like Ashe or Sivir with a less "stiff" wind-up. Obviously MF, Cait, Corki, etc. have a very snappy animation too, but I don't play them as much, so it's really Graves that got me. I'm pretty sure the first few frames of his aa animation are actually him standing idle before he starts moving.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 03:18:16
August 19 2013 03:16 GMT
#5885
On August 19 2013 12:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 11:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


not rly ezreal was always strong when nothing changed people were just dumb and american ezreal no dmg etc etc

Ya, I don't see ez mid really working against Kha'Zix when he was op'd, or winning easily against jayce.


i banned jayce kha lee sin

hell most of the time other ppl banned kha for me so i could just ban jayce lee and nid~
TranslatorBaa!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
August 19 2013 03:18 GMT
#5886
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


Pretty sure it's like when a champion stays consistently in a scene after like a million patches and nobody notices.....iono
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 03:29:05
August 19 2013 03:28 GMT
#5887
On August 19 2013 12:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 12:01 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


not rly ezreal was always strong when nothing changed people were just dumb and american ezreal no dmg etc etc

Ya, I don't see ez mid really working against Kha'Zix when he was op'd, or winning easily against jayce.


i banned jayce kha lee sin

hell most of the time other ppl banned kha for me so i could just ban jayce lee and nid~

if you're forced to use up 2 bans to force a champ to work in lane, there are usually better picks. At this point ez is viable mid pick cuz you no longer need to use bans to make it work without getting shat on.
liftlift > tsm
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
August 19 2013 03:32 GMT
#5888
On August 19 2013 12:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 12:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 19 2013 12:01 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


not rly ezreal was always strong when nothing changed people were just dumb and american ezreal no dmg etc etc

Ya, I don't see ez mid really working against Kha'Zix when he was op'd, or winning easily against jayce.


i banned jayce kha lee sin

hell most of the time other ppl banned kha for me so i could just ban jayce lee and nid~

if you're forced to use up 2 bans to force a champ to work in lane, there are usually better picks. At this point ez is viable mid pick cuz you no longer need to use bans to make it work without getting shat on.


what lol

jayce kha and lee were the top 3 most overpowred champs back then i wouldve banned them no matter who i was playing
TranslatorBaa!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 03:36:52
August 19 2013 03:35 GMT
#5889
Mostly talking about lee and nid ban.
tbh, lee was always strong, but only if you know the player playing lee was good. Which is impossible in solo queue.
liftlift > tsm
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
August 19 2013 03:37 GMT
#5890
lee is always worth a first ban

which brings us back yet again to the original topic

people think lee sucks cause i dont know why, lee overpowered always and forever
TranslatorBaa!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 03:39:38
August 19 2013 03:39 GMT
#5891
On August 19 2013 12:18 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


Pretty sure it's like when a champion stays consistently in a scene after like a million patches and nobody notices.....iono

Champions which have been viable for a very very long time competitively

Top: Shen, vlad
Mid: Ori, karthus, ahri, TF, maybe kassadin.
Jungle: Competitively, the only jungler who's pretty much stayed in through all the changes was Lee, and maybe nocturne for certain comps. J4 wasn't a jungler who was really seen too much in S2.
ADC tends to change with the patches.
Supports: Sona, lulu and blitz are the three common ones.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
August 19 2013 03:41 GMT
#5892
J4 was super strnog during metagolem and then when metagolem got nerfed there was teh standard ~1mo period when ppl forgot about him but he made a return pretty quickly after that, both in jungle and solo lanes. maybe not as much now but he was far from a rare jungle pick in s2

karthus has been getting nerfed for like 2 years straight lol
TranslatorBaa!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 19 2013 03:48 GMT
#5893
On August 19 2013 12:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
J4 was super strnog during metagolem and then when metagolem got nerfed there was teh standard ~1mo period when ppl forgot about him but he made a return pretty quickly after that, both in jungle and solo lanes. maybe not as much now but he was far from a rare jungle pick in s2

karthus has been getting nerfed for like 2 years straight lol

At least this last Nerf to defile makes sense. The wop and ult CD changes were dumb and didn't address the issues.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 19 2013 03:49 GMT
#5894
On August 19 2013 12:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
lee is always worth a first ban

which brings us back yet again to the original topic

people think lee sucks cause i dont know why, lee overpowered always and forever

No one thinks lee sucks. But the avg lee player was like regi tf. Tf is awesome op'd champ, but the player base has always been shitty with him.
liftlift > tsm
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
August 19 2013 03:51 GMT
#5895
On August 19 2013 12:00 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 11:54 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


not rly ezreal was always strong when nothing changed people were just dumb and american ezreal no dmg etc etc

Oddone constantly talked about how bad ezreal was as an AD, then like 3-6 months later ezreal corki graves became the unstoppable triad. Oddone clearly has no clue what makes an AD carry good, but so many people watch his stream that whatever he says might as well be gospel.


Ezreal only became popular when people discovered W max first. Then riot buffed his Q to discourage W first.

And removed the attack speed debuff on enemies.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
August 19 2013 03:53 GMT
#5896
On August 19 2013 12:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
J4 was super strnog during metagolem and then when metagolem got nerfed there was teh standard ~1mo period when ppl forgot about him but he made a return pretty quickly after that, both in jungle and solo lanes. maybe not as much now but he was far from a rare jungle pick in s2

karthus has been getting nerfed for like 2 years straight lol


If you are wala, J4 was always super stron-

*is shot*
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 19 2013 03:56 GMT
#5897
On August 19 2013 12:39 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 12:18 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 11:36 Fealthas wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 19 2013 09:40 Fealthas wrote:
So now that twitch is getting nerfs in the next patch, who is the next lanestomp adc? I think its going to be varus or graves, maybe a little Quinn? Maybe all the corki buffs will bring him back in.

Varus still stupidly strong. Cait still going to be popular pick.

I don't know if its just me, but cait seems very weak if you just dont feed her and last hit under tower. If your spport cc's her than either she runs or dies as her fighting id subpar.

A cait played properly should usually come out of lane with a significant amount of gold ahead. Also, recently played cait for the first time after they nerfed her base AS. Holy shit it's so slow now.

I think it's silly when a champs turns fotm and people come out of the woodworks claiming "see! I told you it was op'd". When more often then naught it had to do with 10 other champs getting nerfed that made that champ popular.


Pretty sure it's like when a champion stays consistently in a scene after like a million patches and nobody notices.....iono

Champions which have been viable for a very very long time competitively

Top: Shen, vlad
Mid: Ori, karthus, ahri, TF, maybe kassadin.
Jungle: Competitively, the only jungler who's pretty much stayed in through all the changes was Lee, and maybe nocturne for certain comps. J4 wasn't a jungler who was really seen too much in S2.
ADC tends to change with the patches.
Supports: Sona, lulu and blitz are the three common ones.


Rumble.
Freeeeeeedom
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
August 19 2013 04:00 GMT
#5898
On August 19 2013 10:30 mr_tolkien wrote:
Ok guys so I'm through with theorycrafting Kayle (and playing a shitton of games with her).

Here is the setup I really like atm :
Runes : Spellvamp quints, AS reds, Ar/MR for the rest
Masteries : 21/0/9
Items : Nash's Tooth -> Lich Bane -> Liandry against fat tanks, Rabadon against squishies -> GA or DFG for maximum kill power.

In fact I don't really like GA since you won't do much when you respawn as Kayle, and you shouldn't die from assassination with your ult.
Spellvamp quints and AS reds are beast for early game though, you can clear wave + wraiths/wolves only with your first DRing. If you afk farm mid you should get nashor's tooth + 2 Drings by 12 minutes.

try wit's end. Crazy synergy with her passive, and the AS just makes her out trade pretty much everyone. I usually get it as a second item after nashor's.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 19 2013 04:09 GMT
#5899
Nashors AND wits end sounds like too much AS not enough AP
liftlift > tsm
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 19 2013 04:15 GMT
#5900
On August 19 2013 13:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Nashors AND wits end sounds like too much AS not enough AP


This is the skirmish/dueling build. It's not a good teamfighting build. You deal absolutely nuts damage onto a single target(~1.5as with ~150-200 onhit magic) because the magic portion might as well be true with the amount of MR you can shred.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
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