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chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
August 12 2013 09:55 GMT
#4441
On August 12 2013 18:04 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 17:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I was just wondering, who has like, the strongest level 1-2 all in? Champs like Pantheon or Renek (if offensive) seem to have high kill potential with flash + stun/ignite engages. Question based around top/mid.


Fizz with the 30/0/0 ignite barrier red pot setup beats most people. Riven&Lee are also really strong.

Level 1 I'd probably have to go with darius. Passive is far too strong to duel down at that level.

Level 2 I think the crown goes to one of fizz riven or panth.


Riven / Darius level 1 for sure out of anything you would see in top lane. Both their passives are so op at level 1. Panth has a pretty strong level 3 all in and fizz is just fizz.

I have seen a lot of lee sins who think they can trade vs my darius at level 1 when we both take w first, it is hilariously 1 sided in darius favour.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 12 2013 09:58 GMT
#4442
On August 12 2013 17:20 -Zoda- wrote:
Looks like Bischu stumbled upon our resident Navitar in Korean soloq. His stream died though.

I wasnt playing today. Did some biter steal my name??!!? Rawr
Hey! Listen!
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 12 2013 10:14 GMT
#4443
On August 12 2013 18:52 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 18:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On August 12 2013 18:10 Osmoses wrote:
On August 12 2013 17:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On August 12 2013 17:38 Shotcoder wrote:
Sivir why you so fun yet so underplayed?

randomly decided to play her a week ago and just rofl stomp with her. (8-2 since I started playing her). Her level 2 burst is so strong.


Because her range is god awful, lacks a real escape, and lacks any form of cc. I love her, but she's bad.

She is a bursty aoe adc with team utility. Her spellshield along with her ulti is quite defensive/escapy enough. She's definitely not bad, though I wouldn't name her top-tier due to aforementioned range issues. She's a niche carry.


Spell shield's cd is too long to be good at low levels because pretty much every other ability in the game has a shorter level 1 cd. Her aoe can be hugely diminished as long as your opponent stands behind creeps, forcing it to hit multiple targets. Yes, if you take somebody by themselves at levels 1/2 w/ both hits it does crazy damage. But they're playing terribly if they give sivir that opportunity.

She lacks the tools required to be a real ADC compared to the rest of the pool. Can she win? Of course, spell shield, despite its cd, crushes noobs. But almost every ad has a noob crushing ability.

You make very general statements, but they apply to all the other adcs as well. You're not gonna stick your chin out unless you have your cooldowns. For example, I main Tristana, and her rocket jump happes to have the same cd as spellshield. Anyway, how you apply Sivir in lane is no different from other adcs, it depends on the other three people in the lane.

Her main issue in my opinion is that her short range and limited mobility makes it difficult to dish significant damage in teamfights, though her ulti brings more utility to the rest of the team than any other adc.


I speak in generalities because her problems are very obvious, general ones. A short range means automatically having difficulty in lane. No real escape tool means ganks are that much more effective against sivir. You compare Rocket Jump. That's a move that can be used to engage or escape. Sivir can pop her ultimate and just run at you or away. You mention not sticking your chin out, as an AD with the shortest range she basically has to just to cs. If you have to farm w/ Q then you can't harass and you'll run yourself oom.

She is a bad AD. It's just that simple. I don't know how you can defend her. You like her... congrats, so do I. I play 2 AD's: Ashe and Sivir. Just because you or I like her doesn't suddenly make her viable.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 12 2013 10:14 GMT
#4444
On August 12 2013 17:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I was just wondering, who has like, the strongest level 1-2 all in? Champs like Pantheon or Renek (if offensive) seem to have high kill potential with flash + stun/ignite engages. Question based around top/mid.

Wukong is pretty strong at 2. Apparently it's a joke in Korea that lvl2 Wukong is stronger than lvl 3 Wukong.
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
August 12 2013 10:37 GMT
#4445
Yo guise what happened to Kayle? She dropped off in popularity before the nashors change, and with the new nashors she's pretty gdlike.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 12 2013 10:37 GMT
#4446
On August 12 2013 19:14 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 18:52 Osmoses wrote:
On August 12 2013 18:31 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On August 12 2013 18:10 Osmoses wrote:
On August 12 2013 17:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On August 12 2013 17:38 Shotcoder wrote:
Sivir why you so fun yet so underplayed?

randomly decided to play her a week ago and just rofl stomp with her. (8-2 since I started playing her). Her level 2 burst is so strong.


Because her range is god awful, lacks a real escape, and lacks any form of cc. I love her, but she's bad.

She is a bursty aoe adc with team utility. Her spellshield along with her ulti is quite defensive/escapy enough. She's definitely not bad, though I wouldn't name her top-tier due to aforementioned range issues. She's a niche carry.


Spell shield's cd is too long to be good at low levels because pretty much every other ability in the game has a shorter level 1 cd. Her aoe can be hugely diminished as long as your opponent stands behind creeps, forcing it to hit multiple targets. Yes, if you take somebody by themselves at levels 1/2 w/ both hits it does crazy damage. But they're playing terribly if they give sivir that opportunity.

She lacks the tools required to be a real ADC compared to the rest of the pool. Can she win? Of course, spell shield, despite its cd, crushes noobs. But almost every ad has a noob crushing ability.

You make very general statements, but they apply to all the other adcs as well. You're not gonna stick your chin out unless you have your cooldowns. For example, I main Tristana, and her rocket jump happes to have the same cd as spellshield. Anyway, how you apply Sivir in lane is no different from other adcs, it depends on the other three people in the lane.

Her main issue in my opinion is that her short range and limited mobility makes it difficult to dish significant damage in teamfights, though her ulti brings more utility to the rest of the team than any other adc.


I speak in generalities because her problems are very obvious, general ones. A short range means automatically having difficulty in lane. No real escape tool means ganks are that much more effective against sivir. You compare Rocket Jump. That's a move that can be used to engage or escape. Sivir can pop her ultimate and just run at you or away. You mention not sticking your chin out, as an AD with the shortest range she basically has to just to cs. If you have to farm w/ Q then you can't harass and you'll run yourself oom.

She is a bad AD. It's just that simple. I don't know how you can defend her. You like her... congrats, so do I. I play 2 AD's: Ashe and Sivir. Just because you or I like her doesn't suddenly make her viable.

Out of curiosity, why do you like her if she's so bad? Is it just pre-nerf nostalgia?

Having shorter range does not automatically maker her bad in lane. She needs to be played offensively and she needs an offensive support, same as Draven and Tristana. If they try to trade, you can and should punish hard, the fact that you practically can't be stunned basically makes her a counterpick against supports like Blitzcrank, Taric and Nami.

She has favorable comps, like the other adcs. She may not be top-tier, but imo she's definitely viable.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 10:45:56
August 12 2013 10:45 GMT
#4447
On August 12 2013 19:37 Kouda wrote:
Yo guise what happened to Kayle? She dropped off in popularity before the nashors change, and with the new nashors she's pretty gdlike.

People ran like hell from range nerfs/removal of damage amp.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 11:18:52
August 12 2013 11:08 GMT
#4448
Make Sivir R fluid so that she doesn't have to stop to ult. Instead of mana returned for blocking with spell shield, Sivir should gain 10/20/30/40/50 range for 6/7/8/9/10 seconds. Or something.

I am also interested in hearing the details on the Amex prepaid card. I will totally get one cause I will be in the market for a new bank/debit card when I get back to America. Might as well rack up the RP.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 12 2013 11:15 GMT
#4449
On August 12 2013 18:58 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 17:20 -Zoda- wrote:
Looks like Bischu stumbled upon our resident Navitar in Korean soloq. His stream died though.

I wasnt playing today. Did some biter steal my name??!!? Rawr

That's why you didn't answer him ahah
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 12 2013 11:28 GMT
#4450
On August 12 2013 20:08 JonGalt wrote:
Make Sivir R fluid so that she doesn't have to stop to ult. Instead of mana returned for blocking with spell shield, Sivir should gain 10/20/30/40/50 range for 6/7/8/9/10 seconds. Or something.

I am also interested in hearing the details on the Amex prepaid card. I will totally get one cause I will be in the market for a new bank/debit card when I get back to America. Might as well rack up the RP.


You know, there are a few oldschool champions that could be noticeably improved by just removing silly cast times on their abilities, Sivir being a prime offender.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 12 2013 11:41 GMT
#4451
On August 12 2013 19:45 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 19:37 Kouda wrote:
Yo guise what happened to Kayle? She dropped off in popularity before the nashors change, and with the new nashors she's pretty gdlike.

People ran like hell from range nerfs/removal of damage amp.


she was starting to lose lanes before the nerf, then she got nerfed. she really has no way to threaten mids with good range and she loses trades to a lot of the melees. The lack of amp on Q made her take more items, where before she used to truck people with Nashor's + Guise.

She still has good lategame potential, but her damage is pretty low early so Koreans dropped her and in turn a lot of people with their eyes on OGN dropped her EXCEPT the manliest of men Vileroze that is. Honestly she'd probly still be good in NA LCS where games go a bit longer.
Carrilord has arrived.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 12 2013 11:53 GMT
#4452
On August 12 2013 20:28 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 20:08 JonGalt wrote:
Make Sivir R fluid so that she doesn't have to stop to ult. Instead of mana returned for blocking with spell shield, Sivir should gain 10/20/30/40/50 range for 6/7/8/9/10 seconds. Or something.

I am also interested in hearing the details on the Amex prepaid card. I will totally get one cause I will be in the market for a new bank/debit card when I get back to America. Might as well rack up the RP.


You know, there are a few oldschool champions that could be noticeably improved by just removing silly cast times on their abilities, Sivir being a prime offender.

I've fucked up my Riven combo sooo many times because of that stupid R cast-time...
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 12 2013 12:02 GMT
#4453
On August 12 2013 20:53 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 20:28 Ketara wrote:
On August 12 2013 20:08 JonGalt wrote:
Make Sivir R fluid so that she doesn't have to stop to ult. Instead of mana returned for blocking with spell shield, Sivir should gain 10/20/30/40/50 range for 6/7/8/9/10 seconds. Or something.

I am also interested in hearing the details on the Amex prepaid card. I will totally get one cause I will be in the market for a new bank/debit card when I get back to America. Might as well rack up the RP.


You know, there are a few oldschool champions that could be noticeably improved by just removing silly cast times on their abilities, Sivir being a prime offender.

I've fucked up my Riven combo sooo many times because of that stupid R cast-time...

Which is why you almost always R in bushes before engaging.
The legend of Darien lives on
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 12 2013 12:21 GMT
#4454
Unfortunately skipping into the bush does tend to make the opponent back off a bit
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 12 2013 12:33 GMT
#4455
Valor is a nice way to cancel out the animation.
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
August 12 2013 13:09 GMT
#4456
On August 12 2013 19:37 Kouda wrote:
Yo guise what happened to Kayle? She dropped off in popularity before the nashors change, and with the new nashors she's pretty gdlike.


She's still godlike in YoloQ, that's a start.
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
August 12 2013 13:29 GMT
#4457
On August 12 2013 22:09 Lysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 19:37 Kouda wrote:
Yo guise what happened to Kayle? She dropped off in popularity before the nashors change, and with the new nashors she's pretty gdlike.


She's still godlike in YoloQ, that's a start.


I have seen a fair bit of kayle recently. She seems to be peoples go to anti zed pick whenever I play zed mid. Since the nerfs though you can bully kayle around a fair bit.

I'm surprised how badly kayle went out of favour in the LCS scene though. The ult can be team fight swinging and I imagine kayle has a decent 1v2.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 12 2013 13:29 GMT
#4458
Is the new Yi really ban worthy? Hes getting some bans in ranked queues at plat elo
im deaf
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22630 Posts
August 12 2013 13:31 GMT
#4459
On August 12 2013 22:29 imBLIND wrote:
Is the new Yi really ban worthy? Hes getting some bans in ranked queues at plat elo


He is perma banned in high silver/low gold aswell. Havnt seen a single game since the patch where he wasnt banned ><
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 12 2013 13:53 GMT
#4460
man all this talk of TL going to S3 finals, and I'm in Canada Q_Q
Bronze player stuck in platinum
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