[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 177

On August 09 2013 03:19 kainzero wrote:

I think he's arguing that the ult has its use in teamfights and it can contribute to AoE comps because it has its own AoE.

Whether it's actually good at that is another story completely. The nature of the spell being AoE means that it obviously had some design intent on impacting more than one champion.
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On August 09 2013 05:06 ketchup wrote:

Fizz

It would make more sense for him to have some sort of gap closer

On August 09 2013 05:29 Shikyo wrote:
Oh and for Fizz ult I don't think a gapcloser would make sense, I think that a solid single-target damage skill that perhaps deals %lost hp damage would make sense. His passive also is really dumb.

On August 09 2013 05:29 Shikyo wrote:
My empirical analysis says that AD aatrox = fail and that the legit build is gunblade rageblade nashors tooth sorc shoes

Darn that EQR combo explodes teams and it's not like your autos are weak. Also hilarious when you get some Jax vs you or something who tries to trolo dodge spam you and you E 30% of his HP

Oh and for Fizz ult I don't think a gapcloser would make sense, I think that a solid single-target damage skill that perhaps deals %lost hp damage would make sense. His passive also is really dumb.

On August 09 2013 06:10 sob3k wrote:
Im pretty sure hybrid Aatrox is just a really terrible version of Kayle

On August 09 2013 04:22 Shikyo wrote:

I am of the opinion that a properly designed assassin can still function as an assassin in teamfights. Okay, here's my vision of a true assassin:

Female. Black semi-short hair. Dual daggers.

Base stats: Low survivability stats, mediocre aspd per level but highish base aspd, high dmg per level, 125 range.

Passive:

Abilities and basic attacks apply a -weakened- debuff counter on the target. After being applied 3 times, the debuff is activated. It can only be activated on a single target at a time.

Killing a minion or monster with -weakened- on them gives 20% movespeed for 2 seconds. Killing a champion with -weakened- on them gives 50% movespeed, 75% CC reduction, and instant stealth for 2 seconds.

Q:
On next hit, deals 30/55/80/105/130(+1.2Bonus AD)bonus physical damage. The bonus damage is doubled when attacking the target from behind, having her use both of her daggers. Automatically deals double damage against minions and monsters. Causes the target to bleed for 15/35/55/75/95(+10% of their missing health[checks the hp on each tick seperately] + 0.8 Bonus AD) damage over 4 seconds if the target is -weakened-, initially stealing 4/6/8/10/12% of the target's movespeed and slowly returning it back on each tick of the bleed. Resets autoattack timer. This applies 2 -weakened- stacks due to it including a basic attack.

Range 175, Mana cost 40, cooldown 12/11/10/9/8

W:
Targetable single-target ability. Jumps to the target and deals 25/50/75/100/125(+0.8 Bonus AD) damage to them. When attacking from behind, performs the attack three times, instantly applying -weakened- and dealing 75/150/225/300/375(+2.4 Bonus AD) physical damage and reducing the target's armor by a flat 5/10/15/20/25(this applies before the attack lands so it benefits from it). Automatically attacks three times against minions and monsters. If the target is -weakened-, attacking from the front slows the target by 30% for 1 second while attacking from behind snares the target for 1 second instead.

Range 400. Mana cost 80/90/100/110/120, cooldown 18/16/14/12/10

E:
This has both a passive and an active effect.

Passive:
When attacking a bleeding target, reduces all basic ability cooldowns by 1 second and also gives a stacking attack damage buff of 10 AD that stacks up to 1/2/3/4/5 times.

Active:
Blurs around 95% of herself, making her almost completely see-through for enemies but still attackable and targetable. Also disappears from the minimap completely. Lasts for up to 5 seconds. While blurred, she initially gains 4/6/8/10/12% movespeed, increasing up to 16/24/32/40/48% over the 5 seconds. The movement speed bonus doubles if an enemy champion is within 600 range of her. Both the blur and the movespeed bonus get canceled if she is damaged by a champion. Her W also gains 200 range and makes her dash to her target while performing it.

Mana cost: 80 Cooldown: 25 seconds

R:
Creates a clone of herself that moves at her movespeed in the direction she is facing for 2 seconds, after which it fades away. The character itself instantly teleports to her target location. If an enemy champion is in the AoE, she becomes invulnerable and untargetable for 0.5 seconds as she moves behind them and backstabs the target, dealing 125/175/225(+2.4 Bonus AD) damage and stunning the target for 0.6/0.8/1.0 seconds. If more than one target is in the area, she prioritizes the target with the lowest HP. This skill marks the target with -Sentenced to Death-, causing them to bleed for 2/3/4 seconds. This bleed can stack fully with her Q bleed, and deals 20/35/50(+0.4 Bonus AD) true damage each second. All of your basic abilities also deal 10% bonus true damage against a target with -Sentenced to Death- and killing a target with -Sentenced to Death- refreshes your E cooldown.

Mana cost: 100 Cooldown: 140/95/50 Range: 800, 250 radius(max effective range 925)

It's a bit rushed but I think that this would have some fun gameplay and also would get destroyed in a straight up fight. Numbers of course would need to be adjusted and aren't what's important.

On August 09 2013 04:25 UniversalSnip wrote:
wow seriously you came up with numbers? that's like step 30 dude... I'm not even gonna read that wall, just give concise and general descriptions of what the skills do and how you think they'd work together.

On August 09 2013 04:45 Capped wrote:


Seeing a player with no flash when im playing J4 just puts a smile on my face.

Its basically. "You are going to die. No. You are going to die."

On August 09 2013 06:48 Flakes wrote:
I dunno, I've always thought of Lee Sin as every mechanic thrown into a blender. I'm sure that Shikyo could have described his champion idea using short bullets instead of paragraph form if he wanted to.

On August 09 2013 07:00 Shikyo wrote:
If you have never seen the skills? How many units is the width of Lee Sin's Q? How long range? What's his movespeed while he travels to his target, what's his position on landing? How much time do you have until you cannot travel again?

W, what's the range, can you W to wards? For how long does the shield last, shield amount. Duration to press W again... E, what's the range, what's cripple range? Duration? How does the slow reduction scale? For how long does it reveal? Ult, how fast does the enemy get kicked back, for how long are others knocked up? How much range does it have, damage cooldown...