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On August 07 2013 01:21 nyxnyxnyx wrote:That post on Reddit about 'Burning Bush Zyra' is really intriguing. Zyra has great base damage and scales really well with penetration so the build sounds really good on paper. Her E-plants also come with a slow so Liandry's procs pretty organically (c wut i did thar). SotEL sounds like it would be great with her OP attack animation combined with some Hybrid Pen reds. I could see it working out really well with masteries set up like this. Seems like it would even work in the top lane =o ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/3Ve4r.jpg)
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On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu.
are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs?
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On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs?
I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor.
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On August 07 2013 13:30 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Feed the melee X comps don't really work due to the existence of Exhaust and lack of BKB.
I'm not sure if you've played Master Yi, but with highlander, even exhausted you move about as fast as an Ezreal without boots, and hit like a truck. I think I have a 100% win ratio with a Master Yi on my team, and I've seen 3 pentas so far.
I think most of that is because no one knows how to play against reset champions around here though.
Edit: Oops. I forgot to address your point completely. Basically what I'm trying to say is that Highlander counters Exhaust pretty well.
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On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor.
ok well Vayne would get destroyed in that match up if graves realizes he can stack his passive and go all in, thresh does a lot of damage as well to boot.
my prediction was you would suggest a farm lane, in which case you could mabye get away with it, but then there would be better options (than armor at all) for yellows.
that said yea, this would be silly.
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On August 07 2013 14:02 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor. ok well Vayne would get destroyed in that match up if graves realizes he can stack his passive and go all in, thresh does a lot of damage as well to boot. my prediction was you would suggest a farm lane, in which case you could mabye get away with it, but then there would be better options (than armor at all) for yellows. that said yea, this would be silly.
Saying that armor/lvl isn't superior to armor because health/lvl is better says nothing about the point i'm suggesting, except that if you say that health > armor in a situation then health/lvl > health.
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in a lot of match ups read: more than half of the ones you commonly see, you lose trades automatically if they go armor and you don't
this equates to a bigger gold advantage than the 200 and something gtr came up with.
the thing mabye you are forgetting is at low levels every champion in the game has enough ad to be respected, and you don't have the health to tank creeps either, where as at level 18, if I'm Ziggs and you crit me with a spinning axe my armor count isn't even a relevant topic.
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On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor.
If I gave you $100 and cut off your leg you would have more money than if I gave you $10 without cutting off your leg.
Stop trying to make pointless arguments.
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On August 07 2013 12:36 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 12:26 jaybrundage wrote:On August 07 2013 05:44 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 07 2013 05:40 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 07 2013 04:41 Requizen wrote:On August 07 2013 04:36 Ketara wrote:
This might be my favorite off topic conversation of all time. One of these days Neo is just gonna come in and ban like a dozen people at once. One of these days, I'm gonna snap and just darkness all of you. -_- 4 pages of pancake talk. Real. P.S.: Not even Lilly can save you, Req. Better than two pages of fish puns. i missed this can someone link plz WHY I cod help you out! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423340¤tpage=62Neo don't kill me.
That's awesome I'm sad i couldn't think of any.
Dolphinitely wanna be there next time the puns start flopping around
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On August 07 2013 14:06 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor. If I gave you $100 and cut off your leg you would have more money than if I gave you $10 without cutting off your leg. Stop trying to make pointless arguments.
That's just as much nonsense. The crux of the argument is that runes give you the most relative power when you have the least (lvl 1). We could math it out, but given all the relevant gameplay variables unless it's really drastic, unlikely except for like %hp runes, it's mostly a preference. Which is to say, not much of a discussion at least as we're going currently.
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On August 07 2013 14:09 Haiq343 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 14:06 xes wrote:On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor. If I gave you $100 and cut off your leg you would have more money than if I gave you $10 without cutting off your leg. Stop trying to make pointless arguments. That's just as much nonsense. The crux of the argument is that runes give you the most relative power when you have the least (lvl 1). We could math it out, but given all the relevant gameplay variables unless it's really drastic, unlikely except for like %hp runes, it's mostly a preference. Which is to say, not much of a discussion at least as we're going currently.
Also i'm saying that fights later in the game impact you, your allies and the game far more than fights during the laning phase.
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Honestly, I think the majority of my lanes are decided by the first 1-2 jungle ganks, which almost always occur before lvl 6. Particularly if you are vs. a champ with better range and get ganked first. The lane is more or less over unless you and your jungler both have good hard cc. Thus favoring flat runes.
Sometimes you are just that much better that your opponent, but in that case you could go for a GP5 page and won.
I just want to emphasize a point: Saying "play better" is the worst argument for a balance discussion.
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Per lvl runes give more armor / MR per level after a certain point which translates into them giving you more "money".
Wow Xizor with the fucking brains in TL LoL.
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On August 07 2013 14:02 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor. ok well Vayne would get destroyed in that match up if graves realizes he can stack his passive and go all in, thresh does a lot of damage as well to boot. my prediction was you would suggest a farm lane, in which case you could mabye get away with it, but then there would be better options (than armor at all) for yellows. that said yea, this would be silly.
most of thresh's damage is actually magic though...
look at it this way: the defensive masteries that give reduced champ/minion damage are good, but only really relevant earlygame. same thing for scaling/flat runes.
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HP Regen per Level seals are the most gold effective in the game. Why would anyone want to run flat armor.
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On August 07 2013 14:16 xes wrote:
HP Regen per Level seals are the most gold effective in the game. Why would anyone want to run flat armor.
Well played.
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On August 07 2013 14:11 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 14:09 Haiq343 wrote:On August 07 2013 14:06 xes wrote:On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor. If I gave you $100 and cut off your leg you would have more money than if I gave you $10 without cutting off your leg. Stop trying to make pointless arguments. That's just as much nonsense. The crux of the argument is that runes give you the most relative power when you have the least (lvl 1). We could math it out, but given all the relevant gameplay variables unless it's really drastic, unlikely except for like %hp runes, it's mostly a preference. Which is to say, not much of a discussion at least as we're going currently. Also i'm saying that fights later in the game impact you, your allies and the game far more than fights during the laning phase.
Yes, that is true.
13 Armor advantage is way less useful in the lategame teamfights than it is at lvl1 though.
Also LOL at totalbiscuit and you guys. I wonder, if I make enough of an effort to insult TB, will he tweet my name and make me efamous? hmmmmm I need to think about this
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Where is the WOW forum by the way?
I just finished the bar and I deserve to exploit my 10 day panda trial.
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On August 07 2013 14:11 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 14:09 Haiq343 wrote:On August 07 2013 14:06 xes wrote:On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor. If I gave you $100 and cut off your leg you would have more money than if I gave you $10 without cutting off your leg. Stop trying to make pointless arguments. That's just as much nonsense. The crux of the argument is that runes give you the most relative power when you have the least (lvl 1). We could math it out, but given all the relevant gameplay variables unless it's really drastic, unlikely except for like %hp runes, it's mostly a preference. Which is to say, not much of a discussion at least as we're going currently. Also i'm saying that fights later in the game impact you, your allies and the game far more than fights during the laning phase.
have to disagree even though i am just a low level player
The early game advantage should get you a better laning phrase and if both team are equal, you should be safer from ganks and pokes.
The effect of the scaling runes aren't that good because once you reach mid to late game where it should in theory becomes more significant, other team already has the better damage items.
maybe I am just not that convinced that scaling armor is that good in teamfight
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On August 07 2013 14:30 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 14:11 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 14:09 Haiq343 wrote:On August 07 2013 14:06 xes wrote:On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor. If I gave you $100 and cut off your leg you would have more money than if I gave you $10 without cutting off your leg. Stop trying to make pointless arguments. That's just as much nonsense. The crux of the argument is that runes give you the most relative power when you have the least (lvl 1). We could math it out, but given all the relevant gameplay variables unless it's really drastic, unlikely except for like %hp runes, it's mostly a preference. Which is to say, not much of a discussion at least as we're going currently. Also i'm saying that fights later in the game impact you, your allies and the game far more than fights during the laning phase. have to disagree even though i am just a low level player The early game advantage should get you a better laning phrase and if both team are equal, you should be safer from ganks and pokes. The effect of the scaling runes aren't that good because once you reach mid to late game where it should in theory becomes more significant, other team already has the better damage items. maybe I am just not that convinced that scaling armor is that good in teamfight
is anyone actually convinced think about it
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