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On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor.
The amount of gold you'll lose from getting shit on in lane will far FAR outweigh any amount of petty change gold value you'll get from making it to level 18, if you even get to that point. By your logic people should literally never buy dorans items ever.
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Seems simple to me when you think about it. Per lvl stuff could be favored in teams which become active past the lane phase and engage in many skirmishes before the late game, while everyone's stats aren't high as hell.
I can't agree with it though. Advantages gained from early game power could easily make up for the lack of scaled stats.
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TB tweeting that TL LoL is butthurt like some annoying attention seeking child leads me to believe you are the ones who made him butthurt.
I mean, i respect him with everything he does / did but man, he doesnt show alot of class when not conducting business lol, its a trend when TB appears, shit like this goes down lol
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On August 07 2013 13:32 TheLink wrote:
I like having these DotA discussions when The International rolls around each year, best time to have them. I also think people define success totally wrong in these discussions, I define success almost entirely based on how much money its made.
Woah, GD moving fast today, we've already moved on apparently. :S
Problem is there are only a handful of people that know dota well enough on this board to speak let alone know both games and be impartial when speaking about them. It just turns into a war or ignorance which doesn't help anyone
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is this a known glitch where client crashes and every time you try to reconnect to game you get 'client has stopped working' ?
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I still feel like Yi is really dumb strong right now. AD Yi didn't need a buff 
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TIL that TPA is already out of the SEA qualifiers and won't be making it back to Worlds.
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On August 07 2013 15:01 Cixah wrote:I still feel like Yi is really dumb strong right now. AD Yi didn't need a buff
He's strong because with a couple items, he does irelia level true damage, AoE's your team for rather ludicrous levels of damage, and attacks 50%+ faster. All on roughly the same amount of gold.
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On August 07 2013 14:11 PrinceXizor wrote:
Also i'm saying that fights later in the game impact you, your allies and the game far more than fights during the laning phase.
That depends entirely on the advantage you build in the laning phase with better early-game runes. If I leave lane 2/0 with a 30 CS advantage, you have a LOT of catching up to do. So what if the monetary advantage weighs in the favour of armour/lvl if I'm leaving lane 1000 gold ahead of you...
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On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor.
I don't think so, especially in bot lane.
Adcs in bot lane not only deal better physical damage than other lane (because they buy doran blade and have offensive mastery and rune), but their spells also deal physical damage. You can get away with scaling armor in AP lane, but in bot lane, you'll lose your lane out right since level 1,2 and first couple trade. You can't just say that you will play safe and it'll be alright. You can stay far away to kill melee creep, but once you approach to try to kill the range creep, you'll get dumped on by any sane adcs.
Moreover, the nature of bot lane is it will take a very long time for you to get to level 7, which is the break point of scaling and flat armor, since you have to share experience. Most of the time, laning phrase is over or the advantage of that lane has already been settled before you reach level 7.
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One thing tl3 showed me that I would love for lol is exp and gold graphs. I love graphs.
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On August 07 2013 15:23 cLutZ wrote:
One thing tl3 showed me that I would love for lol is exp and gold graphs. I love graphs.
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Really, LoL and DotA are just placeholders while Demigod readies itself to seize the throne.
Right guys? Guys?
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On August 07 2013 15:23 cLutZ wrote:
One thing tl3 showed me that I would love for lol is exp and gold graphs. I love graphs.
Yeah. Especially EXP graph. Gold graph isnt that amazing and mostly makes me wish dota had gold just constantly displayed like LoL does. But exp is a bit harder to see, and most casters dont even notice/mention super-critical level differences like the difference between 10 and 11.
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I lold. Even thou I love regi tf
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On August 07 2013 15:45 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 15:23 cLutZ wrote:
One thing tl3 showed me that I would love for lol is exp and gold graphs. I love graphs. Yeah. Especially EXP graph. Gold graph isnt that amazing and mostly makes me wish dota had gold just constantly displayed like LoL does. But exp is a bit harder to see, and most casters dont even notice/mention super-critical level differences like the difference between 10 and 11.
harder to actively create exp differential in LoL, as much as I think denies are generally overstated when people are trying to explain why dota takes more skill. OD mid being popular right now is an example of how this graph is so important.
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On August 07 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:58 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Slusher you know if i try to quote your post it'll make your spoiler visible. how about graves thresh vs vayne lulu. are you seriously suggesting not flat armor in bot? on 550 range adcs? I'm suggesting the monetary advantage you gain from flat armor is significantly less than the monetary gain from scaling armor.
Except it's also not guaranteed that the extra armor from scaling armor will impact the game later on in such a way. Flat armor will always make a BIGGER impact early on than scaling armor will later on. That much is guaranteed. In fact, runes in general make a bigger impact early than late.
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On August 07 2013 15:10 Fionn wrote:
TIL that TPA is already out of the SEA qualifiers and won't be making it back to Worlds.
waaaaaat?
well, S2 TPA has been gone for a while now. The only S2 TPA member left is Bebe and none of the original TPA members are left. Tbh, I think the TPA organization really shot themselves in the foot and TPA's doom was spelled out the moment they chose to move Mistake off the team.
TPS real good now from the looks of it tho.
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On August 07 2013 14:54 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 13:32 TheLink wrote:
I like having these DotA discussions when The International rolls around each year, best time to have them. I also think people define success totally wrong in these discussions, I define success almost entirely based on how much money its made.
Woah, GD moving fast today, we've already moved on apparently. :S Problem is there are only a handful of people that know dota well enough on this board to speak let alone know both games and be impartial when speaking about them. It just turns into a war or ignorance which doesn't help anyone
There was a joke on /r/dota2...
"How do you know someone plays DotA2?"
"If all they ever talk about is LoL."
I like talking about system differences but talking about viewership numbers is just a pissing contest.
I really like what Valve has done with TI3 though. The compendium is brilliant, I love how you can spectate games through the client, and it really feels like a huge festival where everyone's excited about the game and the spectacle that is TI3. I just love the whole atmosphere.
It's not my job to worry about whether a gigantic tournament with $3 million is sustainable for professionals. I just know as a fan that the whole thing is straight hype.
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On August 07 2013 16:02 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 14:54 Numy wrote:On August 07 2013 13:32 TheLink wrote:
I like having these DotA discussions when The International rolls around each year, best time to have them. I also think people define success totally wrong in these discussions, I define success almost entirely based on how much money its made.
Woah, GD moving fast today, we've already moved on apparently. :S Problem is there are only a handful of people that know dota well enough on this board to speak let alone know both games and be impartial when speaking about them. It just turns into a war or ignorance which doesn't help anyone There was a joke on /r/dota2... "How do you know someone plays DotA2?" "If all they ever talk about is LoL." I like talking about system differences but talking about viewership numbers is just a pissing contest. I really like what Valve has done with TI3 though. The compendium is brilliant, I love how you can spectate games through the client, and it really feels like a huge festival where everyone's excited about the game and the spectacle that is TI3. I just love the whole atmosphere. It's not my job to worry about whether a gigantic tournament with $3 million is sustainable for professionals. I just know as a fan that the whole thing is straight hype.
funny thing is, there was a decent number of people in the dota 2 community who were annoyed that TI3 was so spread out over the course of two weeks. Personally I think it was a great decision but w/e.
Honestly, Dota 2 in Korea could be big, but I seriously doubt it'll surpass LoL. League is just way too firmly cemented. Also, Nexon is really good at fucking things up. Just saying.
I also think that for Dota 2 to even begin to reach the stability of viewership that LoL has, there needs to be leagues. Whether leagues run by Valve or not, it doesn't matter. There just needs to be a stable system for pros. As it is now, teams are quite fluid compared to League's pro teams. The Dota 2 pro scene just isn't sustainable since it's literally just a bunch of small tourneys throughout the year, with the occasional IEM/Dreamhack w/e with a big TI blowout. There's no way for teams outside the top-tier teams (and the Chinese) to really get any stability. Especially considering that streaming in Dota 2 is a considerably less lucrative income source than in League except for a few select streamers.
I also won't be surprised if World Championships surpass 4 million concurrent viewers including Korea and China viewers. However, I think that unless there's some serious Western upset and/or some sick story line built up over the course of the championship (like black horse TPA from last year) Championships grand finals can likely get comparatively very little viewers due to how fickle Western audiences are.
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