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On August 07 2013 05:48 Ketara wrote:
But the reality is that if the support leaves the lane to go kill golems while the ADC is farming alongside the enemy duo, the ADC is going to get all inned, at worst die, and at best not get any CS.
This should only be true if the ad is playing horribly. at 1:55 raka/taric with machete can clear double golems and meet up with the laner after 2 melee creeps die. giving a net benefit to the lane, and any laner that gets caught immediately as soon as waves clash isn't worth discussing.
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But golems spawn at 2:05 now.
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On August 07 2013 05:48 Ketara wrote:
But the reality is that if the support leaves the lane to go kill golems while the ADC is farming alongside the enemy duo, the ADC is going to get all inned, at worst die, and at best not get any CS.
I don't know about super high level games but in my games if one member of the duo leaves lane and the other doesn't leave as well, the guy who doesn't leave gets killed.
or is ezreal.
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On August 07 2013 05:50 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 05:48 Ketara wrote:
But the reality is that if the support leaves the lane to go kill golems while the ADC is farming alongside the enemy duo, the ADC is going to get all inned, at worst die, and at best not get any CS. This should only be true if the ad is playing horribly. at 1:55 raka/taric with machete can clear double golems and meet up with the laner after 2 melee creeps die. giving a net benefit to the lane, and any laner that gets caught immediately as soon as waves clash isn't worth discussing.
You're just dead wrong here. Any bot lane worth its salt is going to zone out the ADC when the ADC is alone. It'd be a miracle of the ADC could even be in XP range.
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On August 07 2013 05:32 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 05:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
You'd be surprised at how many AD's die in the 5-10 seconds when the support goes to ward the river. Well as a solo queue thing it seems bad because you can't trust AD players especially ones with CLG flair, but in organized play it seems definitely do-able. Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 05:32 nafta wrote:
Other than zyra and nunu I don't know of many other supports that can do that without drinking 50 pots. zyra nunu raka taric thresh elise fiddle kayle lulu all can do it pretty easily with a machete. some aren't used as supports much anymore though.
Good idea PX. Let's buy Machete + Pots instead of wards so you can prevent yourself from being ganked and leave your AD carry all alone to get zoned/die.
Sounds smart.
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I do golems occasionally as Nami with Q max first, usually when the AD carry backs and wave is pushed up, or wave is pushed up and I'm coming from base.
I don't know why you'd buy machete though, that seems like a lot of gold, and I certainly wouldn't pack up and go in the middle of laning phase... at best, maybe if you had wards up and you know they didn't, so they don't know if you're in lane or not, but that's still risky.
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I'm not surprised at all , but still really disappointed to see Riot come out to say that the new league system is a success.
Riot said:[with elo]You are seated into a very massive spectrum of players with no real meaningful sense of position (ie. rank 120,503 is less meaningful than rank 10 in Malzahar’s Captains)
how is being rank 10 in some randomly generated 1 of 1000 leagues more meaningful, riot pls.
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I think we have talked the league system to death.
I don't think any of us like it.
Do any of you like it?
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I can think of no better way to track progress than moving up positions in a league of 100 people...
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On August 07 2013 06:10 Ketara wrote:
I think we have talked the league system to death.
I don't think any of us like it.
Do any of you like it?
I liked the name of my old division. It was like Nasus's Librarians or something.
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I sorta like it.
I mean, it's not a perfect system, but I've grown to like it as opposed to ELO for the most part. ELO was just kind of this number which had no real inherent meaning because it would fluctuate so much in the span of a day or two. And once you hit a certain threshhold you were Gold or Plat or whatever, but then you could bounce around it kind of wildly depending on the next couple games.
Now, you have a pretty good idea of what players are around your level, and if the system works like it should (and seems to for the most part), a lot of people get matched into leagues with at least a couple of their friends. I dislike the idea of never being able to fall out of a league outside of decay, but it definitely gives the conveyance of "I earned this and no amount of RNG can take that from me".
It could be improved on a lot, but I don't hate it like I used to.
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it COULD be cool if the divisions were bigger and you were plopped into a chat room with anyone else in the division when you logged on, and the client would try to make games from divisions as much as possible, it could create some of the familiarity/rivalrys you get at high elo, but as is leagues are just a paper bag being forced over your head.
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TBH if we're talking casual Machete, there should really be more mid laners buying it, seeing as they probably clear jungle camps throughout the game often enough to make one worth it.
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On August 07 2013 04:42 PrinceXizor wrote:SO originally Onlywonderboy needed help being alive on his own xD Alright if you have a stovetop and a pan you should keep in your apartment: Eggs Milk Bread Meat (frozen is cheaper, fresh is better but more expensive) Rice (can be instant or non instant, but make sure its brown) Whole wheat pasta Cheese cereal (hot or cold) Canola oil as the essentials to always have For seasoning: Onion powder Garlic powder Paprika Oregano Chili Powder Salt Pepper FOr extras: Seasonable fruits/veggies (the cheap stuff on sale usually) Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:38 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 04:31 Slayer91 wrote:
flat iron just looks like a vastly inferior version of that pan anyone still using one is basically a hipster at this point, but the idea was because it was so thin it and is bowed upwards it distributes the heat more evenly. (most "nice" pans now imitate this by having an air compartment inside of them, so basically if you have an expensive pan it is a flat iron hidden inside of a pan.) I use my flat iron for firepits
Forgetting hot sauce, Frank's Red Hot
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If the league system actually worked in a visible common sense way I'd be fine with it.
My issue is all the obfuscating shit like clamping and peoples MMR being multiple divisions away from their league ranking at high and low points of each league.
If their objective is to make things transparent and let people feel good about their rating or feel like going up and down is meaningful, all the rules and exceptions are really good at tearing that objective apart.
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On August 07 2013 06:15 captharlock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:42 PrinceXizor wrote:SO originally Onlywonderboy needed help being alive on his own xD Alright if you have a stovetop and a pan you should keep in your apartment: Eggs Milk Bread Meat (frozen is cheaper, fresh is better but more expensive) Rice (can be instant or non instant, but make sure its brown) Whole wheat pasta Cheese cereal (hot or cold) Canola oil as the essentials to always have For seasoning: Onion powder Garlic powder Paprika Oregano Chili Powder Salt Pepper FOr extras: Seasonable fruits/veggies (the cheap stuff on sale usually) On August 07 2013 04:38 Slusher wrote:On August 07 2013 04:31 Slayer91 wrote:
flat iron just looks like a vastly inferior version of that pan anyone still using one is basically a hipster at this point, but the idea was because it was so thin it and is bowed upwards it distributes the heat more evenly. (most "nice" pans now imitate this by having an air compartment inside of them, so basically if you have an expensive pan it is a flat iron hidden inside of a pan.) I use my flat iron for firepits Forgetting hot sauce, Frank's Red Hot
Oh don't you worry, I'm already all about Frank's. That and Sriracha.
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I'm sure we all hate the new league system but our brains definitely want to play more with the new league system (unfortunately), creating false jumps and leaps in progress. The new system tricks our brains into thinking that certain matches are more meaningful and important and gives us more joy or rage when we succeed or fail in them.
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On August 07 2013 06:07 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 05:32 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 05:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
You'd be surprised at how many AD's die in the 5-10 seconds when the support goes to ward the river. Well as a solo queue thing it seems bad because you can't trust AD players especially ones with CLG flair, but in organized play it seems definitely do-able. On August 07 2013 05:32 nafta wrote:
Other than zyra and nunu I don't know of many other supports that can do that without drinking 50 pots. zyra nunu raka taric thresh elise fiddle kayle lulu all can do it pretty easily with a machete. some aren't used as supports much anymore though. Good idea PX. Let's buy Machete + Pots instead of wards so you can prevent yourself from being ganked and leave your AD carry all alone to get zoned/die. Sounds smart.
You forgot that he still thinks the camps spawn at 1:55, he has not yet responded to it knowing the camps spawn at 2:05 now. Maybe he'll advocate then pushing out the first wave before running down to doubles to do them in between waves. The world may never know.
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On August 07 2013 06:28 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 06:07 Roffles wrote:On August 07 2013 05:32 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 05:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
You'd be surprised at how many AD's die in the 5-10 seconds when the support goes to ward the river. Well as a solo queue thing it seems bad because you can't trust AD players especially ones with CLG flair, but in organized play it seems definitely do-able. On August 07 2013 05:32 nafta wrote:
Other than zyra and nunu I don't know of many other supports that can do that without drinking 50 pots. zyra nunu raka taric thresh elise fiddle kayle lulu all can do it pretty easily with a machete. some aren't used as supports much anymore though. Good idea PX. Let's buy Machete + Pots instead of wards so you can prevent yourself from being ganked and leave your AD carry all alone to get zoned/die. Sounds smart. You forgot that he still thinks the camps spawn at 1:55, he has not yet responded to it knowing the camps spawn at 2:05 now. Maybe he'll advocate then pushing out the first wave before running down to doubles to do them in between waves. The world may never know.
eh riots just retarded.
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On August 07 2013 06:30 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 06:28 Zdrastochye wrote:On August 07 2013 06:07 Roffles wrote:On August 07 2013 05:32 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 07 2013 05:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
You'd be surprised at how many AD's die in the 5-10 seconds when the support goes to ward the river. Well as a solo queue thing it seems bad because you can't trust AD players especially ones with CLG flair, but in organized play it seems definitely do-able. On August 07 2013 05:32 nafta wrote:
Other than zyra and nunu I don't know of many other supports that can do that without drinking 50 pots. zyra nunu raka taric thresh elise fiddle kayle lulu all can do it pretty easily with a machete. some aren't used as supports much anymore though. Good idea PX. Let's buy Machete + Pots instead of wards so you can prevent yourself from being ganked and leave your AD carry all alone to get zoned/die. Sounds smart. You forgot that he still thinks the camps spawn at 1:55, he has not yet responded to it knowing the camps spawn at 2:05 now. Maybe he'll advocate then pushing out the first wave before running down to doubles to do them in between waves. The world may never know. eh riots just retarded.
I think they just undervalue your insight.
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