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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 06:42:21
July 24 2013 06:39 GMT
#4741
On July 24 2013 15:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
why does saint miss smites anyway? obviously there's prep and coordination that goes into trying to make it hard to steal but in terms of the jungler hitting it it's just watching a number tick down, why would a good player be abnormally bad at that relative to other good players?


At higher ELO, smiting is down to how much you can predict incoming damage to baron and your own spike damage combined the damage from smite.

Generally, most junglers that don't have %health have one skill that does ~150-200 damage to baron (120 armor/70MR) around baron time in addition to smite (Nasus Q, J4 Q etc) meaning that in order to outsmite the enemy jungler, they have to predict the incoming damage to time the smite+skill within the health range where the enemy can't just use only smite and steal it and where the skill will knock the health down enough for you to smite it dead.

You literally cannot watch the number go below some threshold and then smite since you're pretty much guaranteed to lose it if you do that, you have to see the health, know how much is incoming and time your stuff to last-hit the baron.

What makes champions like lee sin, elise and nunu exceptional at stealing/securing baron is that their combo skills with smite deal more than most other champions, sometimes significantly so since they're based on missing health/massive damage to monsters. At 2k/12k hp, lee sin does ~600 damage with the second part of his Q, elise with no offensive items (golem stone) does ~525 damage with spider Q and nunu does between 750 and 1k damage before smite, all somewhat to significantly more than most other junglers.

Saint is (I'd guess) not particularly good at judging the damage incoming to baron while someone like jiji is godlike at the prediction and that's pretty much all it comes down to.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 24 2013 06:47 GMT
#4742
On July 24 2013 15:04 XilDarkz wrote:
who is requizen and is it simply "ok" to spam your stream here? doesnt seem very "TL"-like

He's a forum regular so he gets a little leeway, plus he just came back after uninstalling so we're trying to be supportive ha. TL LoL is nothing if not a tight knit community. That said some of the general "LR" type comments should probably take place in his dedicated stream thread for the sake of not clogging up GD for those not watching.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 06:52:43
July 24 2013 06:48 GMT
#4743
On July 24 2013 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:
I'm calling it; Req going to be on LCS team by Season 5; I BELIEVE.

Also; tried to do MF top lane; got dumpstered by Kayle; was like 0-5 in lane; but eventually farmed enough to get BC; then was able to group and comeback. It has some promise; really wished her E scaled with AD, otherwise the wave clear is so pathetic past half way through the game.


Clearly you should go ap mf, since ap mf beneifts from black cleaver too and her ult has ap scaling...=P

EDIT: also why is patch 3.9 330 mb T_T
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 06:51:11
July 24 2013 06:50 GMT
#4744
On July 24 2013 15:48 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:
I'm calling it; Req going to be on LCS team by Season 5; I BELIEVE.

Also; tried to do MF top lane; got dumpstered by Kayle; was like 0-5 in lane; but eventually farmed enough to get BC; then was able to group and comeback. It has some promise; really wished her E scaled with AD, otherwise the wave clear is so pathetic past half way through the game.


Clearly you should go ap mf, since ap mf beneifts from black cleaver too and her ult has ap scaling...=P

New wit's end on her, along with new Nashors, all the magic damage.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 06:52:15
July 24 2013 06:51 GMT
#4745
On July 24 2013 15:48 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:
I'm calling it; Req going to be on LCS team by Season 5; I BELIEVE.

Also; tried to do MF top lane; got dumpstered by Kayle; was like 0-5 in lane; but eventually farmed enough to get BC; then was able to group and comeback. It has some promise; really wished her E scaled with AD, otherwise the wave clear is so pathetic past half way through the game.


Clearly you should go ap mf, since ap mf beneifts from black cleaver too and her ult has ap scaling...=P

AP MF is funny but isn't there a problem that her ult doesn't actually get magic pen or something like that.
Obviously the answer is just to get LW and BC on top of AP for hybrid caster MF.
Glorious SEA doto
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 24 2013 07:18 GMT
#4746
Honestly, Saint's smite problems are probably a Curse communication issue. Unfortunately, he is their shot caller so that doesn't exonerate him...
Freeeeeeedom
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 07:20:03
July 24 2013 07:19 GMT
#4747
On July 24 2013 15:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 15:04 XilDarkz wrote:
who is requizen and is it simply "ok" to spam your stream here? doesnt seem very "TL"-like

He's a forum regular so he gets a little leeway, plus he just came back after uninstalling so we're trying to be supportive ha. TL LoL is nothing if not a tight knit community. That said some of the general "LR" type comments should probably take place in his dedicated stream thread for the sake of not clogging up GD for those not watching.


This. You'll see the same posters posting everyday and they've been doing it for months if not years. We dont have many people around here so everyone knows eachother. Some new guy rolled in and did the same stuff, he wouldnt get the same response.

Its the same philosophy TL goes by with its oldies, go look at QuanticHawk's posting for reference. Only on a smaller scale

Well except me, nobody knows who i am i just know them :3

+ Show Spoiler +
Down with alaric and ketara. Ship them off to doto
Useless wet fish.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 24 2013 07:21 GMT
#4748
On July 24 2013 16:19 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 15:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 24 2013 15:04 XilDarkz wrote:
who is requizen and is it simply "ok" to spam your stream here? doesnt seem very "TL"-like

He's a forum regular so he gets a little leeway, plus he just came back after uninstalling so we're trying to be supportive ha. TL LoL is nothing if not a tight knit community. That said some of the general "LR" type comments should probably take place in his dedicated stream thread for the sake of not clogging up GD for those not watching.


This. You'll see the same posters posting everyday and they've been doing it for months if not years. We dont have many people around here so everyone knows eachother. Some new guy rolled in and did the same stuff, he wouldnt get the same response.

Its the same philosophy TL goes by with its oldies, go look at QuanticHawk's posting for reference. Only on a smaller scale

Well except me, nobody knows who i am i just know them :3

+ Show Spoiler +
Down with alaric and ketara. Ship them off to doto

I just know you as the guy who got a gun pointed at him.
liftlift > tsm
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
July 24 2013 07:24 GMT
#4749
^ that makes me look totally badass. I like. Just dont tell anyone i nearly pissed my pants
Useless wet fish.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 24 2013 07:25 GMT
#4750
On July 24 2013 16:24 Capped wrote:
^ that makes me look totally badass. I like. Just dont tell anyone i nearly pissed my pants

I was tempted to add that part; then decided you deserve better.
liftlift > tsm
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
July 24 2013 07:29 GMT
#4751
Ugh, people have no idea when to engage and when not to. It's probably the no.1 reason why I'm losing right now. An amumu turns around after we took the opponent's mid inhib and guess what; his ult was on cd. Then they got 2 inhibs and the game was pretty much over from there because they got a free baron afterwards.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 07:30:10
July 24 2013 07:30 GMT
#4752


Didn't see this posted yet but Shy/Flame discuss top lane, with english subs.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 24 2013 07:30 GMT
#4753
On July 24 2013 16:18 cLutZ wrote:
Honestly, Saint's smite problems are probably a Curse communication issue. Unfortunately, he is their shot caller so that doesn't exonerate him...


Funny how when I watch him stream he is much better at it, but then again he isn't playing against other coordinated pros usually when I watch him.
Never Knows Best.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 07:51:15
July 24 2013 07:40 GMT
#4754
Gandhi, always tryharding, never not tryharding.

Patoy giving me some good laughs.

That Thresh makes me want to kill myself.

The Zhonya's into dying to Kog's passive, haha, style points.

What an amusing yolo queue game.
Hey! How you doin'?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 24 2013 07:49 GMT
#4755
On July 24 2013 16:30 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 16:18 cLutZ wrote:
Honestly, Saint's smite problems are probably a Curse communication issue. Unfortunately, he is their shot caller so that doesn't exonerate him...


Funny how when I watch him stream he is much better at it, but then again he isn't playing against other coordinated pros usually when I watch him.


It just seems to me, from my EXP, that sometimes I will hit a smite exactly, or sometimes I will miss by even an embarrassing amount. The latter usually happens when someone on my team peels. Now, obviously you cannot predict that in solo games, however, I would guess that in a coordinated game your ADC and Karthus should not just randomly peel without telling you.
Freeeeeeedom
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
July 24 2013 07:55 GMT
#4756
*cringes at usage of 'peel'*
cool beans
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
July 24 2013 07:57 GMT
#4757
On July 24 2013 16:55 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
*cringes at usage of 'peel'*


What word would you use?

I like peel to describe trying to keep my adc safe.
Hey! How you doin'?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 24 2013 07:57 GMT
#4758
I always use my smite leaving it one hit until death. I don't mean to, but God knows I can't stop lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 08:15:23
July 24 2013 08:05 GMT
#4759
I don't rage if I lose. I don't rage if I get trash talked, have noob teamates, have trolls, people don't surrender, people surrender too early, whatever. I'm too old and have played games for too long to let any of that shit bothering me. But DC'ing makes me fucking rage. Oh, you are going to win the game, how about you dc for 10 minutes, come back just in time to see your team lose the last teamfight they can have, and you're unable to stop the last 4 teamates and they take base.

G fucking G. Fuck internet connections, I want 2 cans and a string - that shit was stable.

edit for late 2 cents too: Smiting can be harder as people actually get better, as well. People with better awareness begin saving cd's and re-positioning carefully to prepare for being engaged upon by/in the baron pit. Because of this the damage becomes harder to predict. At lower levels, people just keep tunneling hard unless everybody turns so it's easy to get a timer running in your head.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
July 24 2013 08:08 GMT
#4760
On July 24 2013 16:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I always use my smite leaving it one hit until death. I don't mean to, but God knows I can't stop lol


Well if you smite and it dies you probably wasted like 20 smite damage, can't have that.
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