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[News] SPL and KeSPA's Upcoming Reform - Page 5

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IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 04 2013 07:09 GMT
#81
Well that's depressing as hell.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
July 04 2013 07:11 GMT
#82
On July 04 2013 14:32 CmdBash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 14:14 Empirimancer wrote:
Sometimes I try to imagine how popular SC2 would be in Korea if it had been as accessible as Brood War in internet cafes and if bnet 2.0 had been well designed.

Then I get depressed and I think about something else.


lol the only way sc2 would have ever reached the popularity of bw if it became free2play or if people found a way to pirate it at no profit to blizzard like bw.


You are so wrong if you really think the only thing wrong with SC2 is that it's not free. Korea is not a third world country, and people actually spend money on LoL (most people doing ranked games probably spend more on LoL than a SC2 player on his game).
Dead game.
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
July 04 2013 07:14 GMT
#83
On July 04 2013 15:09 DRTnOOber wrote:
I don't understand... does this mean that there will be no more SC2 Proleague? Is it being replaced by LoL?


I don't see why you'd be any surprised if SC2 PL was to be shut down.

No audience, less than 10k stream viewers.. SC2 is dead in Korea, just deal with it.
Dead game.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
July 04 2013 07:17 GMT
#84
Nooooooooo stupid kiddy game....
monchi | IdrA | Flash
azizex666
Profile Joined May 2013
United States10 Posts
July 04 2013 07:17 GMT
#85
Maybe I missed something but why is this in SC2 Forums?
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
July 04 2013 07:19 GMT
#86
On July 04 2013 14:54 NarutO wrote:
Why is this depressing news for anyone here? I cannot understand. I personally don't follow LoL that much and I think the game is pretty boring (game itself, not playing with friends or watching) but growing eSports scene is a good sign. Its not like suddenly no one will play Starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 is competition in 1v1, for LoL you need a good team to compete etc.

I think its good news...


I don't care about hashtagESPORTS, I care about SC2.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 04 2013 07:22 GMT
#87
It's called progress. SC2 is destined to remain a relatively niche game in Korea.

I personally don't mind at all. I would be happy with just having GomTV productions like we had for the most of WOL.
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
July 04 2013 07:23 GMT
#88
On July 04 2013 16:17 Big-t wrote:
Nooooooooo stupid kiddy game....


Nope..

it is a team game, like CS. It is focused on strategy and teamwork, not on mechanics.

The real kiddy game is SC2 (compared to BW of course).
Dead game.
MaxQT
Profile Joined January 2013
69 Posts
July 04 2013 07:23 GMT
#89
well you can't blame kespa, they only want the money after all.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 07:24:14
July 04 2013 07:23 GMT
#90
On July 04 2013 16:14 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 15:09 DRTnOOber wrote:
I don't understand... does this mean that there will be no more SC2 Proleague? Is it being replaced by LoL?


I don't see why you'd be any surprised if SC2 PL was to be shut down.

No audience, less than 10k stream viewers.. SC2 is dead in Korea, just deal with it.


No audience, what streams have you been watching? The studio was full for OSL every night so far and PL crowds are a lot better than 5 months ago. I'm really tired of this exaggerated negativity.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 04 2013 07:23 GMT
#91
On July 04 2013 16:11 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 14:32 CmdBash wrote:
On July 04 2013 14:14 Empirimancer wrote:
Sometimes I try to imagine how popular SC2 would be in Korea if it had been as accessible as Brood War in internet cafes and if bnet 2.0 had been well designed.

Then I get depressed and I think about something else.


lol the only way sc2 would have ever reached the popularity of bw if it became free2play or if people found a way to pirate it at no profit to blizzard like bw.


You are so wrong if you really think the only thing wrong with SC2 is that it's not free. Korea is not a third world country, and people actually spend money on LoL (most people doing ranked games probably spend more on LoL than a SC2 player on his game).


But the point is that you start out playing it for free, then once you start to get really into it, then you spend money. Compared to Starcraft 2 where you need to buy the game just to be able to play it anywhere.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
July 04 2013 07:24 GMT
#92
On July 04 2013 16:23 MaxQT wrote:
well you can't blame kespa, they only want the money after all.

? Kespa's about marketing and sponsorships, not profit...
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
July 04 2013 07:24 GMT
#93
On July 04 2013 16:23 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 16:17 Big-t wrote:
Nooooooooo stupid kiddy game....


Nope..

it is a team game, like CS. It is focused on strategy and teamwork, not on mechanics.

The real kiddy game is SC2 (compared to BW of course).


WOW you need to think in this game, impressive.
monchi | IdrA | Flash
funKy_KroK
Profile Joined June 2009
France101 Posts
July 04 2013 07:26 GMT
#94
On July 04 2013 16:24 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 16:23 MaxQT wrote:
well you can't blame kespa, they only want the money after all.

? Kespa's about marketing and sponsorships, not profit...


well I've read his sentence like "you can't blame kespa they want the visibility after all"
Meatloaf
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Spain664 Posts
July 04 2013 07:28 GMT
#95
sad ; I would be fine if it was DOTA they were picking , but LoL... bleh.

I sincerely hope proleague stays as is or some ESF teams come to PL.

Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
July 04 2013 07:28 GMT
#96
I do like how a game being good has no bearing on it being considered competitive anymore.

Modern gaming is fucking terrible.
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
July 04 2013 07:30 GMT
#97
Take it Blizzard for taking out bw.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
July 04 2013 07:31 GMT
#98
On July 04 2013 14:18 Erosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 14:14 Empirimancer wrote:
Sometimes I try to imagine how popular SC2 would be in Korea if it had been as accessible as Brood War in internet cafes and if bnet 2.0 had been well designed.

Then I get depressed and I think about something else.


Sometimes I try to imagine if Blizz dev team didn't make Starcraft 2 so noob friendly to keep the competitive level harsh just like BW. Surely a high percentage of Pro Koreans would've have switched to Starcraft 2 keeping the player base and viewer base the same to the new game.


Compared to the incredibly hardcore LoL that Koreans now love? Personally I think Sc2 is far harder then BW in every aspect that wasn't just that bad because they couldn't make it any better back then. Watching those old BW matches I am just struck by how slow all the units move and how few units there are to control, how few abilities they have to use etc.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
July 04 2013 07:31 GMT
#99
Lets face it, people can relate to LoL a lot more, and its easier to get into than other games. Not a fan of LoL as a competitive game, but it is pushing esports as a whole forward so at least you got that to look forward to.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 07:33:07
July 04 2013 07:32 GMT
#100
On July 04 2013 16:30 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Take it Blizzard for taking out bw.

BW was fading out regardless of Blizzard.
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