On June 17 2013 13:14 kongoline wrote: nunu is a fucking cancer champion, even pros complain about how gay he is, im completely ok with riot nerfing him to the ground so we wont see him ever again
He was never a problem when he was a dedicated support.
Someone doesnt remember Nunu/Cait in early S3
Isn't that a caitlyn issue not a nunu one? :D
I mean even now it's quite often that when nunu jungles you get caitlyn.
Quinn deals far less damage than Vayne, it's not even close.
I guess if you can Valor in without getting blown up
With full item build (IE, BT, PD, LW, boots, Defensive item) you have 210 AD from items, 331 AD at level 18. Her passive does 175+(.50*210)=280 extra damage. Thats two autos guaranteed to do 610 damage before penetration instantly with an auto attack reset and the E damage (160+(0.2*210)=202. Thats an instant 1422 damage at the start of the fight, and then another 235+(.6*210)=361 from Q, as well as 440+(1.0*210)=650.
Quinn can Q->passive auto->E->Passive auto ->RRexecute for 2433 damage before the opponent can even respond. Thats Zed level burst.
Vaynes combo that is similar with the same items: Auto->Q->E does: 393+(1.5*393)+(185+(.5*265)= 1300+8% targets maximum HP. Only time Vaynes Combo does more damage is if opponent has 14162 maximum HP.... which sorry doesn't exactly happen.
Quinns 1v1 is better, and then Quinn has significantly better attack speed at level 18.
Vayne does better sustained damage, sure, but to say their damage output isn't even close is just absolutely false. Quinns kit scales monstrously well. Although I'd agree that Vayne is a much better teamfighter.
The important thing is time, not amount of autoattacks. First of all Quinn E animation takes forever and a half and has a long cooldown, second Vayne Q has 2s cd, resets attack animation and gives 50% bonus damage. Vayne ult also gives her a huge bonus amount of AD. Then there's of course her W bonus damage. Her tumble gives her the mobility and invisibility to actually be able to deal the damage whereas Quinn has absolutely nothing like that and her tumble even makes her vulnerable to melee.
I guess she deals more burst... Unless the target is against the wall.
Vaynes Q animation is actually longer than Quinns E animation...
I took Vaynes bonus ult damage into consideration. And even if Vayne Condemns someone into a wall, Quinn combo still does like 1000 more damage than Vayne combo and is faster in the first place.
I also think Quinn is a better teamfighter than she gets credit for too, but whatever. I know the 525 range sucks, but being able to instagib someone that dives you actually surprises the shit out of lots of people.
Quinn deals far less damage than Vayne, it's not even close.
I guess if you can Valor in without getting blown up
With full item build (IE, BT, PD, LW, boots, Defensive item) you have 210 AD from items, 331 AD at level 18. Her passive does 175+(.50*210)=280 extra damage. Thats two autos guaranteed to do 610 damage before penetration instantly with an auto attack reset and the E damage (160+(0.2*210)=202. Thats an instant 1422 damage at the start of the fight, and then another 235+(.6*210)=361 from Q, as well as 440+(1.0*210)=650.
Quinn can Q->passive auto->E->Passive auto ->RRexecute for 2433 damage before the opponent can even respond. Thats Zed level burst.
Vaynes combo that is similar with the same items: Auto->Q->E does: 393+(1.5*393)+(185+(.5*265)= 1300+8% targets maximum HP. Only time Vaynes Combo does more damage is if opponent has 14162 maximum HP.... which sorry doesn't exactly happen.
Quinns 1v1 is better, and then Quinn has significantly better attack speed at level 18.
Vayne does better sustained damage, sure, but to say their damage output isn't even close is just absolutely false. Quinns kit scales monstrously well. Although I'd agree that Vayne is a much better teamfighter.
The important thing is time, not amount of autoattacks. First of all Quinn E animation takes forever and a half and has a long cooldown, second Vayne Q has 2s cd, resets attack animation and gives 50% bonus damage. Vayne ult also gives her a huge bonus amount of AD. Then there's of course her W bonus damage. Her tumble gives her the mobility and invisibility to actually be able to deal the damage whereas Quinn has absolutely nothing like that and her tumble even makes her vulnerable to melee.
I guess she deals more burst... Unless the target is against the wall.
Vaynes Q animation is actually longer than Quinns E animation...
I took Vaynes bonus ult damage into consideration. And even if Vayne Condemns someone into a wall, Quinn combo still does like 1000 more damage than Vayne combo and is faster in the first place.
I also think Quinn is a better teamfighter than she gets credit for too, but whatever. I know the 525 range sucks, but being able to instagib someone that dives you actually surprises the shit out of lots of people.
Also gotta account for Vayne's ability to go invis. that is a huge part of her ability to duel.
Quinn deals far less damage than Vayne, it's not even close.
I guess if you can Valor in without getting blown up
With full item build (IE, BT, PD, LW, boots, Defensive item) you have 210 AD from items, 331 AD at level 18. Her passive does 175+(.50*210)=280 extra damage. Thats two autos guaranteed to do 610 damage before penetration instantly with an auto attack reset and the E damage (160+(0.2*210)=202. Thats an instant 1422 damage at the start of the fight, and then another 235+(.6*210)=361 from Q, as well as 440+(1.0*210)=650.
Quinn can Q->passive auto->E->Passive auto ->RRexecute for 2433 damage before the opponent can even respond. Thats Zed level burst.
Vaynes combo that is similar with the same items: Auto->Q->E does: 393+(1.5*393)+(185+(.5*265)= 1300+8% targets maximum HP. Only time Vaynes Combo does more damage is if opponent has 14162 maximum HP.... which sorry doesn't exactly happen.
Quinns 1v1 is better, and then Quinn has significantly better attack speed at level 18.
Vayne does better sustained damage, sure, but to say their damage output isn't even close is just absolutely false. Quinns kit scales monstrously well. Although I'd agree that Vayne is a much better teamfighter.
The important thing is time, not amount of autoattacks. First of all Quinn E animation takes forever and a half and has a long cooldown, second Vayne Q has 2s cd, resets attack animation and gives 50% bonus damage. Vayne ult also gives her a huge bonus amount of AD. Then there's of course her W bonus damage. Her tumble gives her the mobility and invisibility to actually be able to deal the damage whereas Quinn has absolutely nothing like that and her tumble even makes her vulnerable to melee.
I guess she deals more burst... Unless the target is against the wall.
Vaynes Q animation is actually longer than Quinns E animation...
I took Vaynes bonus ult damage into consideration. And even if Vayne Condemns someone into a wall, Quinn combo still does like 1000 more damage than Vayne combo and is faster in the first place.
I also think Quinn is a better teamfighter than she gets credit for too, but whatever. I know the 525 range sucks, but being able to instagib someone that dives you actually surprises the shit out of lots of people.
Also gotta account for Vayne's ability to go invis. that is a huge part of her ability to duel.
Speaking of which, if Quinns passive touches a stealth champ and they go stealth (Twitch, Vayne, Akali, etc) you can still see them.
<_<
I think her W might reveal stealth as well, but I dont think so. I dunno, havn't tested it.
So, Janna is like the best blue stealing champion ever at level 1. I love supporting with her and I since everybody gives smiteless blue leashes now, you go over to the enemy blue, put your explorer ward down, get your tornado and just wait. At level 1 if you let it charge up fully (3 seconds) it does 135 damage and the range on it is so long that you always feel very safe.
I've definitely screwed over a few junglers this weekend by doing that, plus it's amazing to be level 2 immediately with blue buff as Janna bot lane.
Only downsides to it is that it can be kind of risky since you have to get the explorer ward down. You might lose 1 cs (but if you actually steal blue it doesn't matter). You also have to start with Tornado, which might not be the best opening skill with her depending on the enemy support/adc.
Quinn deals far less damage than Vayne, it's not even close.
I guess if you can Valor in without getting blown up
With full item build (IE, BT, PD, LW, boots, Defensive item) you have 210 AD from items, 331 AD at level 18. Her passive does 175+(.50*210)=280 extra damage. Thats two autos guaranteed to do 610 damage before penetration instantly with an auto attack reset and the E damage (160+(0.2*210)=202. Thats an instant 1422 damage at the start of the fight, and then another 235+(.6*210)=361 from Q, as well as 440+(1.0*210)=650.
Quinn can Q->passive auto->E->Passive auto ->RRexecute for 2433 damage before the opponent can even respond. Thats Zed level burst.
Vaynes combo that is similar with the same items: Auto->Q->E does: 393+(1.5*393)+(185+(.5*265)= 1300+8% targets maximum HP. Only time Vaynes Combo does more damage is if opponent has 14162 maximum HP.... which sorry doesn't exactly happen.
Quinns 1v1 is better, and then Quinn has significantly better attack speed at level 18.
Vayne does better sustained damage, sure, but to say their damage output isn't even close is just absolutely false. Quinns kit scales monstrously well. Although I'd agree that Vayne is a much better teamfighter.
The important thing is time, not amount of autoattacks. First of all Quinn E animation takes forever and a half and has a long cooldown, second Vayne Q has 2s cd, resets attack animation and gives 50% bonus damage. Vayne ult also gives her a huge bonus amount of AD. Then there's of course her W bonus damage. Her tumble gives her the mobility and invisibility to actually be able to deal the damage whereas Quinn has absolutely nothing like that and her tumble even makes her vulnerable to melee.
I guess she deals more burst... Unless the target is against the wall.
Vaynes Q animation is actually longer than Quinns E animation...
I took Vaynes bonus ult damage into consideration. And even if Vayne Condemns someone into a wall, Quinn combo still does like 1000 more damage than Vayne combo and is faster in the first place.
I also think Quinn is a better teamfighter than she gets credit for too, but whatever. I know the 525 range sucks, but being able to instagib someone that dives you actually surprises the shit out of lots of people.
Also gotta account for Vayne's ability to go invis. that is a huge part of her ability to duel.
Speaking of which, if Quinns passive touches a stealth champ and they go stealth (Twitch, Vayne, Akali, etc) you can still see them.
<_<
I think her W might reveal stealth as well, but I dont think so. I dunno, havn't tested it.
W does not reveal stealth. it only gives vision of the area
Could be my laptop and shit being old, but since downloading the Aatrox patch, the FPS keeps getting dropped to like 2-4 at exactly 15-20 minutes each game now.
Whether a team fight breaks out, I'm walking to lane or w/e, literally the FPS gets shot for a good 30 seconds~1 minute.
On June 17 2013 14:22 sung_moon wrote: Could be my laptop and shit being old, but since downloading the Aatrox patch, the FPS keeps getting dropped to like 2-4 at exactly 15-20 minutes each game now.
Whether a team fight breaks out, I'm walking to lane or w/e, literally the FPS gets shot for a good 30 seconds~1 minute.
Just me with this problem?
mines been dropping fps pretty low here recently after the last patch too kinda weird.
On June 17 2013 14:46 Dusty wrote: holy crap Darius is so much fun
Until you meet a Jayce.
i "mained" darius for quite abit and jayce isnt even half as hard as people make him , i dont think i ever lost lane vs jayce i usually manage to atleast break even, after u get armour/doran shield his harass doesnt do much and its u who have kill potential on him not other way around, if hes good u wont kill him but neither he will kill u without intervention of jungler
On June 17 2013 13:14 kongoline wrote: nunu is a fucking cancer champion, even pros complain about how gay he is, im completely ok with riot nerfing him to the ground so we wont see him ever again
He was never a problem when he was a dedicated support.
Someone doesnt remember Nunu/Cait in early S3
Why doesn't Riot just re-balance him to emphasize snowball?
First they are like: BB is too good/boring (not Nunu mind you, BB), so they nerf it without changing him, so he predictably disappears.
Then they decide to emphasize his Q, the part of his kit with no analog in the game, The part that makes him ridiculous with minions around (and now with buffs up), but rubbish at other times.
All the while he has a move that is decent anti-dive, and anti-kite, but not OP in any way...
Wondering what other people are thinking of Kha Zix since the patch. If it has already been discussed, feel free to refer me to the ~area of pages it comes from so I don't waste more space here.
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