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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
June 14 2013 13:05 GMT
#1041
On June 14 2013 22:03 mr_tolkien wrote:
Looking at Aarox kit I see :

Very high AS naturally
Good AD scaling
No need for sustain

Isn't an IE like CRAZY GOOD on him ?

unless riot decides to add BKB I don't really see that as a feasible prospect
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 13:07:46
June 14 2013 13:05 GMT
#1042
IE is a good buy if you intend to buy more crit later
typically you'd expect resist/onhit would be better since his scaling isn't AD it's on hit also so it doesn't actually crit so botrk +resist items seems like it would be the best
the reason megazero got trinity was because staying in range is going to be a big issue with 2 long cooldown gapslowers/slow
frozen mallet would probably be a better buy here
or even better if you want damage ghostblade i reckon
aka Teutonica
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 13:08:32
June 14 2013 13:07 GMT
#1043
Unless you are going to invest in other crit items ie not worth imo.He seems rather annoying but haven't had the pleasure to meet him yet.

Mega got a mallet in a later game which worked pretty well.Dunno unless you are trynd I think bruiser>damage/crit focus.He does so much damage anyway why not make him immortal?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 13:11:14
June 14 2013 13:08 GMT
#1044
he's basically jax with physical damage and a longer cd jump but he has sustain and a free ga
his base hp is low because of his free ga but his attack speed scaling and base is pretty decent as is his armour and ad
aka Teutonica
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
June 14 2013 13:13 GMT
#1045
Nasus seems to be a pretty damn good counter to Aatrox believe it or not.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 14 2013 13:18 GMT
#1046
On June 14 2013 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
Nasus seems to be a pretty damn good counter to Aatrox believe it or not.


Nasus a counter to auto attack reliant champs? Shocker...
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 13:21:36
June 14 2013 13:21 GMT
#1047
On June 14 2013 22:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
Nasus seems to be a pretty damn good counter to Aatrox believe it or not.


Nasus a counter to auto attack reliant champs? Shocker...


SO MEAN.

I imagine the sustain helps to weather Aatrox's own as well.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 13:23:27
June 14 2013 13:22 GMT
#1048
its because aatrox can't bully hard and only does physical damage so you just go dorans shield ninja tabi and work your way to frozen heart and he can't do shit to you
farm 500 on q get 420 armour and yolo blaze it in teamfights
aka Teutonica
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 14 2013 13:37 GMT
#1049
And what about hydra instead of BotrK ? I really dislike BotrK when he got already such a big AS + good AD scaling :/
The legend of Darien lives on
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 13:51:23
June 14 2013 13:50 GMT
#1050
Lissandra support isn't terrible. Her range isn't great, but level 6 you can explode a squishy kind of like Annie support. Before that though you're kind of useless, can't do much except a little poke with Q, which tends to push lane as well..
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 14 2013 13:54 GMT
#1051
On June 14 2013 22:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Lissandra support isn't terrible. Her range isn't great, but level 6 you can explode a squishy kind of like Annie support. Before that though you're kind of useless, can't do much except a little poke with Q, which tends to push lane as well..


Can't zyra do the same but with greater range and utility.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 14:00:48
June 14 2013 13:56 GMT
#1052
On June 14 2013 22:37 mr_tolkien wrote:
And what about hydra instead of BotrK ? I really dislike BotrK when he got already such a big AS + good AD scaling :/


you dont buy botrk for the attack speed

1 - it's an anti kiting item, its a slow and a nuke and a speed boost, basically a trinity force all into 1 proc
2 - it's an AD item more than it's an AS item by far. 5% of current hp is over 50 AD as long as the target has more than 1k and lower than 1 k you have ignite and 1 combo to finish anyway. so it gives 75~ or more AD
3 - it's a really good lifesteal item since both your autos and the active steal life

hydra would be absolutely retarded compared to botrk here
i think botrk is the most overpowered item in the game actually im just waiting for it to be nerfed. It's basically cost effective without the up to 150 AD and insane active it has. wtf?
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 14:09:10
June 14 2013 14:04 GMT
#1053
On June 14 2013 22:54 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 22:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Lissandra support isn't terrible. Her range isn't great, but level 6 you can explode a squishy kind of like Annie support. Before that though you're kind of useless, can't do much except a little poke with Q, which tends to push lane as well..


Can't zyra do the same but with greater range and utility.


Zyra is honestly my worst support, so I don't know too much about how she works. She has good poke and zoning (never could get her to work for me sadly) but Lissandra can burst someone down in addition to having some disengage. She scales really nicely with CDR, and having double stun and a slow is pretty nice. I've been going Sighstone into Athene's/ Twin Shadows.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 14 2013 14:11 GMT
#1054
On June 14 2013 22:56 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 22:37 mr_tolkien wrote:
And what about hydra instead of BotrK ? I really dislike BotrK when he got already such a big AS + good AD scaling :/


you dont buy botrk for the attack speed

1 - it's an anti kiting item, its a slow and a nuke and a speed boost, basically a trinity force all into 1 proc
2 - it's an AD item more than it's an AS item by far. 5% of current hp is over 50 AD as long as the target has more than 1k and lower than 1 k you have ignite and 1 combo to finish anyway. so it gives 75~ or more AD
3 - it's a really good lifesteal item since both your autos and the active steal life

hydra would be absolutely retarded compared to botrk here
i think botrk is the most overpowered item in the game actually im just waiting for it to be nerfed. It's basically cost effective without the up to 150 AD and insane active it has. wtf?

«2 - it's an AD item more than it's an AS item by far. 5% of current hp is over 50 AD as long as the target has more than 1k and lower than 1 k you have ignite and 1 combo to finish anyway. so it gives 75~ or more AD»
Well no it's not AD, it's damage on your autos. Aatrox has very good AD scaling by himself, and his combos benefits a lot from having 75AD for real from Hydra. I'll do the maths because I'm curious anyway, but I'm pretty sure Hydra out-damages BotrK pretty hard as well as offering more pushing power and teamfight presence.
The legend of Darien lives on
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 14:22:27
June 14 2013 14:22 GMT
#1055
Played against my first Aatrox opponent. He built tanky and it went horribly for him. He managed to escape once or twice with his passive, and even managed to take an early lead against our garen. Once the game got to 15+ mins, he couldn't do anything.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 14:25:53
June 14 2013 14:23 GMT
#1056
On June 14 2013 23:22 Noro wrote:
Played against my first Aatrox opponent. He built tanky and it went horribly for him. He managed to escape once or twice with his passive, and even managed to take an early lead against our garen. Once the game got to 15+ mins, he couldn't do anything.


Big mistake on his part! Someone pulled a "release week Riven" on Aatrox.

On June 14 2013 23:25 Numy wrote:
The one I played went damage and just shat on our ADC every fight.


He got it.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 14 2013 14:25 GMT
#1057
The one I played went damage and just shat on our ADC every fight.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 14 2013 14:27 GMT
#1058
But how do you shit on an adc as aatrox lol?His jump is interuptable by anything and his range is low >.>.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 14 2013 14:29 GMT
#1059
On June 14 2013 23:27 nafta wrote:
But how do you shit on an adc as aatrox lol?His jump is interuptable by anything and his range is low >.>.


Always flanked or came in after an engagement. Never straight up engaged himself.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23470 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 14:30:14
June 14 2013 14:29 GMT
#1060
On June 14 2013 23:11 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 22:56 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 14 2013 22:37 mr_tolkien wrote:
And what about hydra instead of BotrK ? I really dislike BotrK when he got already such a big AS + good AD scaling :/


you dont buy botrk for the attack speed

1 - it's an anti kiting item, its a slow and a nuke and a speed boost, basically a trinity force all into 1 proc
2 - it's an AD item more than it's an AS item by far. 5% of current hp is over 50 AD as long as the target has more than 1k and lower than 1 k you have ignite and 1 combo to finish anyway. so it gives 75~ or more AD
3 - it's a really good lifesteal item since both your autos and the active steal life

hydra would be absolutely retarded compared to botrk here
i think botrk is the most overpowered item in the game actually im just waiting for it to be nerfed. It's basically cost effective without the up to 150 AD and insane active it has. wtf?

«2 - it's an AD item more than it's an AS item by far. 5% of current hp is over 50 AD as long as the target has more than 1k and lower than 1 k you have ignite and 1 combo to finish anyway. so it gives 75~ or more AD»
Well no it's not AD, it's damage on your autos. Aatrox has very good AD scaling by himself, and his combos benefits a lot from having 75AD for real from Hydra. I'll do the maths because I'm curious anyway, but I'm pretty sure Hydra out-damages BotrK pretty hard as well as offering more pushing power and teamfight presence.


don't be ridiuclous
his ad scaling is atrocious
lee sin has 5.0 scaling from his AD
this guy? 1.2
hydra gives 50 more dmg than botrk, thats 60 damage from your Q E. Also 60 damage every 3rd hit which is 20 extra AD which is only good if the target has super low health otherwise botrk does more damage PER HIT as well as having 40% bonus attack speed and the proc which is the main reason you buy the item

the only "ad scaling" is actually on hit scaling because he has high attack speed
l0l at hydra having more teamfight presence. wat
aka Teutonica
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