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dont explain ur calls past the bare minimum just tell peopel what to do is enough 90% of time
ofc you will get people who refuse to listen/flame you/dont pay attention, but that's the vast minority contrary to what the qq thread would have you believe
solo q is really easy if u actually try with a proper attitude most people are just unwilling/lazy to do it.
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I guess comunication is the key. Meh, I'm not tryhard enought to actually tell people what I think they should do.
It really bothers me how you can get easy wins by following the bad calls at my level
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People don't listen when I tell them "na, tribrush still warded till xx:yy" when the jungler comes gank, or "xx at blue, near top soon" when I see the mid laner leave and the timing coincides, but after awhile of spamming wards, drakes and buffs timer, they realise that you have at least a grasp of what's going on and they follow your calls regarding drake and sometimes towers (still regularly get our red up for 2 minutes when I tell the AD that it's up while I know I'll be busy on the other side of the map).
^ it's because those are bad calls because of reasons that aren't necessarily applicable at your level, or simply because the other team has even worse calls. When I'm jungling there's stuff I shouldn't get away with (like ganking the red-side lane only 20s before the blue buff respawns) but I usually can because people don't realise I'm doing something wrong (I used that example because a good half of my blue steals are me simply timing it and running to it as soon as I see their J4 sitting in blue side's bot tribrush, and I've almost never been punished for it to the point that it's the sign of a "good" jungler rather than standard).
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On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic.
You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so.
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On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic.
Well speaking from experience.I've had multiple situations where people decide to just go feed intentionally when I tell them something of the sort:"Hey man could you just come move with team we are stronger in tf we will win easily"
Never will I try to be reasonable in solo q.Trolling harder has given me better results lol.
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If I had TL+, I would search for Neo's post about why we don't have a Diamond+ forum.
Quick, someone send me TL+ for the good of the forum.
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i think trying hard -> victory only works if you actually are above your skill leve in elo in some significant way (better mechanics, better calls, etc.)
if you're actually at your skill level your super awesome calls that would guarantee victory if not for the fact that people don't follow them probably aren't as genius as you'd like to think.
basically admit you suck first.
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On June 22 2013 06:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
If I had TL+, I would search for Neo's post about why we don't have a Diamond+ forum.
Quick, someone send me TL+ for the good of the forum.
That would be too elitist n segregate the solo queue grinders and non-grinders.
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On June 22 2013 06:24 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic. You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so.
all th epeople who complain about tribunal giving false positives probably do deserve a ban, even if not for that particular game lol
if you really dont troll and dont flame you're not gonna get banned.
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On June 22 2013 06:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 05:55 Nos- wrote:On June 22 2013 05:46 SagaZ wrote:
A question about the so called "soloqueue mentality"
So I'm not too big on the ranked soloqueue thing, I used to almost not do it at all and just play 5s. Thing is because of some dirty backstabing this is no longer an option. So i have been soloqueueing a bit and I find myself in odd soloqueue situations sometimes.
Since I'm not very good, most the games i play is like a bit of laning then everyone randomly rotate mid and aram it up for a bit, when we already destroyed their tower... So like my inner self is like "there's no point of being there, we can instead pressure top or something else", like there is nothing mid for us to take, the enemy team is mia and the team just wants to group there. So i'm like meh, I rather you know group with them and not do anything for a bit instead of them being caught 4v5. Keep in mind I still think it's a terrible decision being there, but it would be even worst not to be with the team. And then, the soloqueue magic happens, the enemy team pops out of the fog of war and come to fight us mid... for absolutly no reason either. We have no tower to defend, they have no tower to defend, but there's just this gentleman agreement to all come and duke it out midlane... SO we fight, and win the teamfight, making that "call" of going midlane a successfull one, but at the same time, it was only good cause the enemy team was equally as retarded as us..
So how u guys deal with the situation? Is my gut feeling complelty mistaken and I should go fight mid for the hell of it? Should I ditch the team to make the strategic choice i feel is better, but risk the rest of the team getting cauht like retards? I guess that climbing a bit in ranking will make this situation uncomon, but making decisions of fighting like this in the middle of nowhere for absolutly no objectives and getting rewarded for it feel like it actually turns you into a worst player, but allow you to climb the ladder.
tl;dr: follow a bad call with the rest of your team? or ignore it cause it's bad and ping them back furiously knowing that if the enemy is retarded the call will work anyway? Better to follow a bad call as 5 than to go against it as 1 maybe definitely in arranged play, in solo q it's kind of a toss-up/situation dependent
No that's what I mean though, if it's a bad call but 4 of your team is following, you still need to be there even if you don't think it's a good idea. Unless you are sure it's gonna end in disaster, it's better for team morale if anything in solo queue for you to go along.
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Only bad things comes from talking about the tribunal.
For me soloq is about showing off. Do what you want, make plays, sometimes it completly fail, but if you have a level higher than your elo, there is a good chance that you will end up getting fed enough to carry all the lamers you play with.
And sometime, it's them who are carrying you.
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On June 22 2013 06:33 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 05:55 Nos- wrote:On June 22 2013 05:46 SagaZ wrote:
A question about the so called "soloqueue mentality"
So I'm not too big on the ranked soloqueue thing, I used to almost not do it at all and just play 5s. Thing is because of some dirty backstabing this is no longer an option. So i have been soloqueueing a bit and I find myself in odd soloqueue situations sometimes.
Since I'm not very good, most the games i play is like a bit of laning then everyone randomly rotate mid and aram it up for a bit, when we already destroyed their tower... So like my inner self is like "there's no point of being there, we can instead pressure top or something else", like there is nothing mid for us to take, the enemy team is mia and the team just wants to group there. So i'm like meh, I rather you know group with them and not do anything for a bit instead of them being caught 4v5. Keep in mind I still think it's a terrible decision being there, but it would be even worst not to be with the team. And then, the soloqueue magic happens, the enemy team pops out of the fog of war and come to fight us mid... for absolutly no reason either. We have no tower to defend, they have no tower to defend, but there's just this gentleman agreement to all come and duke it out midlane... SO we fight, and win the teamfight, making that "call" of going midlane a successfull one, but at the same time, it was only good cause the enemy team was equally as retarded as us..
So how u guys deal with the situation? Is my gut feeling complelty mistaken and I should go fight mid for the hell of it? Should I ditch the team to make the strategic choice i feel is better, but risk the rest of the team getting cauht like retards? I guess that climbing a bit in ranking will make this situation uncomon, but making decisions of fighting like this in the middle of nowhere for absolutly no objectives and getting rewarded for it feel like it actually turns you into a worst player, but allow you to climb the ladder.
tl;dr: follow a bad call with the rest of your team? or ignore it cause it's bad and ping them back furiously knowing that if the enemy is retarded the call will work anyway? Better to follow a bad call as 5 than to go against it as 1 maybe definitely in arranged play, in solo q it's kind of a toss-up/situation dependent No that's what I mean though, if it's a bad call but 4 of your team is following, you still need to be there even if you don't think it's a good idea. Unless you are sure it's gonna end in disaster, it's better for team morale if anything in solo queue for you to go along.
meh, toss up in solo q
it depends o your judgment of the situation - just how badly is it gonna go?!?!?! if you going = 5 for 1 in stead of 4 for 0, not much of a point; if you going can turn it into 5 for 3-4 it might be worth it.
it's much much much more situationally dependent in solo q...in arranged 5s you just have to unconditionally follow the call...
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On June 22 2013 06:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:24 Numy wrote:On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic. You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so. all th epeople who complain about tribunal giving false positives probably do deserve a ban, even if not for that particular game lol if you really dont troll and dont flame you're not gonna get banned.
I think false positives are a thing to some degree. I know people who would just choose punish on every report because it would still guarantee that they'd get like 80% agreement.
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On June 22 2013 06:37 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:24 Numy wrote:On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic. You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so. all th epeople who complain about tribunal giving false positives probably do deserve a ban, even if not for that particular game lol if you really dont troll and dont flame you're not gonna get banned. I think false positives are a thing to some degree. I know people who would just choose punish on every report because it would still guarantee that they'd get like 80% agreement.
except it has been repeatedly stated and shown that riot manually reviews before any bans. so if a manual review says you should be banned, chances are you should, and if not, it's attributable to the one-off human error of a riot employee, not of the tribunal system
so you getting "banned unjustly" for "nicely telling your team what to do" is not a real occurrence, but rather a delusion that people have when 99.9% of the time they deserve the ban, and no, it's not cause of tribunal punish spam.
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On June 22 2013 06:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On June 22 2013 06:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:24 Numy wrote:On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic. You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so. all th epeople who complain about tribunal giving false positives probably do deserve a ban, even if not for that particular game lol if you really dont troll and dont flame you're not gonna get banned. I think false positives are a thing to some degree. I know people who would just choose punish on every report because it would still guarantee that they'd get like 80% agreement. except it has been repeatedly stated and shown that riot manually reviews before any bans. so if a manual review says you should be banned, chances are you should, and if not, it's attributable to the one-off human error of a riot employee, not of the tribunal system so you getting "banned unjustly" for "nicely telling your team what to do" is not a real occurrence, but rather a delusion that people have when 99.9% of the time they deserve the ban, and no, it's not cause of tribunal punish spam.
You sure ? I'm pretty sure they only manually review before any life time bans, not after small 2 weeks bans.
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On June 22 2013 06:41 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On June 22 2013 06:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:24 Numy wrote:On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic. You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so. all th epeople who complain about tribunal giving false positives probably do deserve a ban, even if not for that particular game lol if you really dont troll and dont flame you're not gonna get banned. I think false positives are a thing to some degree. I know people who would just choose punish on every report because it would still guarantee that they'd get like 80% agreement. except it has been repeatedly stated and shown that riot manually reviews before any bans. so if a manual review says you should be banned, chances are you should, and if not, it's attributable to the one-off human error of a riot employee, not of the tribunal system so you getting "banned unjustly" for "nicely telling your team what to do" is not a real occurrence, but rather a delusion that people have when 99.9% of the time they deserve the ban, and no, it's not cause of tribunal punish spam. You sure ? I'm pretty sure they only manually review before any life time bans, not after small 2 weeks bans.
"The Tribunal automatically assigns some low-level penalties to players, such as e-mail warnings. More severe cases, however, are reviewed and assigned punishments manually by Player Support."
AFAIK, all bans fall under "severe" punishments.
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Is it just me or Ribbon is really cheap nowaday? My team always has 2+ people who have ribbons, sometimes all 4 (except me) have ribbons.
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On June 22 2013 06:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:41 WhiteDog wrote:On June 22 2013 06:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On June 22 2013 06:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:24 Numy wrote:On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic. You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so. all th epeople who complain about tribunal giving false positives probably do deserve a ban, even if not for that particular game lol if you really dont troll and dont flame you're not gonna get banned. I think false positives are a thing to some degree. I know people who would just choose punish on every report because it would still guarantee that they'd get like 80% agreement. except it has been repeatedly stated and shown that riot manually reviews before any bans. so if a manual review says you should be banned, chances are you should, and if not, it's attributable to the one-off human error of a riot employee, not of the tribunal system so you getting "banned unjustly" for "nicely telling your team what to do" is not a real occurrence, but rather a delusion that people have when 99.9% of the time they deserve the ban, and no, it's not cause of tribunal punish spam. You sure ? I'm pretty sure they only manually review before any life time bans, not after small 2 weeks bans. "The Tribunal automatically assigns some low-level penalties to players, such as e-mail warnings. More severe cases, however, are reviewed and assigned punishments manually by Player Support." AFAIK, all bans fall under "severe" punishments.
iunno, i got a 6 month ban for playing like fiddle, j4 and some other unconventional supports. i didn't even do that badly in any of the reported games.
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On June 22 2013 06:49 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:41 WhiteDog wrote:On June 22 2013 06:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On June 22 2013 06:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:24 Numy wrote:On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic. You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so. all th epeople who complain about tribunal giving false positives probably do deserve a ban, even if not for that particular game lol if you really dont troll and dont flame you're not gonna get banned. I think false positives are a thing to some degree. I know people who would just choose punish on every report because it would still guarantee that they'd get like 80% agreement. except it has been repeatedly stated and shown that riot manually reviews before any bans. so if a manual review says you should be banned, chances are you should, and if not, it's attributable to the one-off human error of a riot employee, not of the tribunal system so you getting "banned unjustly" for "nicely telling your team what to do" is not a real occurrence, but rather a delusion that people have when 99.9% of the time they deserve the ban, and no, it's not cause of tribunal punish spam. You sure ? I'm pretty sure they only manually review before any life time bans, not after small 2 weeks bans. "The Tribunal automatically assigns some low-level penalties to players, such as e-mail warnings. More severe cases, however, are reviewed and assigned punishments manually by Player Support." AFAIK, all bans fall under "severe" punishments. iunno, i got a 6 month ban for playing like fiddle, j4 and some other unconventional supports. i didn't even do that badly in any of the reported games.
ur not allowed to play unconventional champs if your team doesnt want you to
whether or not that's a reasonable rule is a separate topic, but under the current guidelines, you definitely deserved the ban.
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On June 22 2013 06:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:41 WhiteDog wrote:On June 22 2013 06:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:37 ticklishmusic wrote:On June 22 2013 06:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 22 2013 06:24 Numy wrote:On June 22 2013 06:22 zer0das wrote:On June 22 2013 06:20 nafta wrote:On June 22 2013 06:15 zer0das wrote:
Sometimes you just have to say "what you're advocating is stupid and here's why." If you give a good reason, the rest of your team will probably ignore the person who is advocating it, especially if you refuse to go along with it. More likely is you'll get banned really lol.I did.I used to do this but now I just troll people and sometimes flame. Why would you get banned? If you're giving intelligent reasons, no one on tribunal is going to hold that against you as long as you're not toxic. You are assuming people on the tribunal actually read through and do stuff properly. I guess these days with no real reward it might be a safe assumption but it wasn't always so. all th epeople who complain about tribunal giving false positives probably do deserve a ban, even if not for that particular game lol if you really dont troll and dont flame you're not gonna get banned. I think false positives are a thing to some degree. I know people who would just choose punish on every report because it would still guarantee that they'd get like 80% agreement. except it has been repeatedly stated and shown that riot manually reviews before any bans. so if a manual review says you should be banned, chances are you should, and if not, it's attributable to the one-off human error of a riot employee, not of the tribunal system so you getting "banned unjustly" for "nicely telling your team what to do" is not a real occurrence, but rather a delusion that people have when 99.9% of the time they deserve the ban, and no, it's not cause of tribunal punish spam. You sure ? I'm pretty sure they only manually review before any life time bans, not after small 2 weeks bans. "The Tribunal automatically assigns some low-level penalties to players, such as e-mail warnings. More severe cases, however, are reviewed and assigned punishments manually by Player Support." AFAIK, all bans fall under "severe" punishments.
i dont want to do digging now, but there was a riot post on the forums that riot from now on does not observe the tribunal anymore.
But i hink we arent supposed to talk about the tribunal here, just want to clear this misconception up.
if you really want a source, you will have to search the official league forum (good luck).
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