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United States15536 Posts
In the hidden laboratories of TL LoL, unfinished projects and burgeoning creations lurk in the shadows. Occasionally, the mad scientists that are the Staff help an experiment complete its genesis, and unleash it upon the unsuspecting forum to cause chaos and mayhem to better the informed strategic dialog upon which we pride ourselves.
Yet every once in a while, the beasts require sacrifice input from the community for which they are made.
Which is the point of this thread.
There's a thing that's been hanging around the Staff forum for a while at various states of construction, but there's a chance it could be released soon™. However, to do so, we need some help from everyone on TL LoL. I've got a few questions here for which the answers would be extremely helpful in completing our little Frankenstein monster, and I would love it if TL users of all divisions and experience gave some insight.
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
I appreciate any and all help y'all can give me, especially if you've been playing for a while and have climbed up the ranks/Elo/whatever.
Thanks all!
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1) From the start i wanted to play competitively. I used to play broodwar so i love the competitive play of game and strategy. Of course at the start i had 0 knowledge of the game, no strategies, not even tactics. I didn't know about simple things like ganks and stuff. But i read a lot. Tried the most uncommon roles in really low levels, like jungling at level 5...it was not easy to do, actually it went really bad, but my friend did it great with nunu, and basically learned a lot from that.
2) The metagame. Of course i didn't understand the reasons behind it at the start, but it was really easy and fast for me to learn about the game that way..
And after it changed a little, it made me think about the reasons of the changes. Then i started reading the patch notes and the discussions.
3) Buy wards, junglers are important, learn to support, play the champions you like the most.
4) I'm not sure, i think practicing... but knowing what to practice.. not just 1000 games doing the same mistakes.
5) lolwiki
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1) I do both. I think trying new things can be fun, and help improve your skills. I feel a lot of the meta is really stagnant, so I always try out new and wonky things.
2) How to farm.
3) It's not actually f2p. It's all ruse.
4) Mechanics.
5) depends on what kind of LoL knowledge; if it's quick rune setup I just check LoLpro real quick, I usually prefer to figure out how to play out the champion on my own though. LoLking pretty nice website to check winrates at highest level just to see what's FotM.
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1) Since, always. I play to win in my games whether im relaxing or not, i'll always "do" the correct things regardless of whether im trying 100% or 50%, i'll be playing to win. Tryhard or relax mode, PLAY. TO. WIN.
2) Just watching prostreams, looking up builds / runepages / masteries, reading a general guide on everything prior to the first two things so that i know what they mean, and playing the game over and over. So to put that in order. Read basics guide -> look up general masteries / runepages / builds for champions -> play play play -> watch prostreams and understand thought processes / plays and attempt to apply said skill to myself.
3) Mute incoherent players
How to ward
How to build correctly (inc. runepages + masteries) not adapting perhaps but a basic build
Map awareness
Importance of CS
4) Concentrating on your mistakes instead of your teammates and constantly playing with that mindset. Watch the occasional stream / vod to take notes on what high-level players do differently to you and how you can apply it. Ask questions about things you are unsure of to higher-ranked players (Like TL's playerbase)
5) Solomid, Lolking, Lol nexus. I use TL for discussion and not much else, you are ze most awesome LoL community but other places have better resources :3 (except writeups and LR's <3)
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1. Personally I started trying to improve constantly from when I picked up the game. I never particularly liked trolling around and doing retarded shit.
2. Map awareness is probably the most recent thing that has improved me the most taking me from gold->plat4
3. Item builds aren't everything in the game, imo you should focus your attention on other aspects of your game instead of worrying about what you are building for a certain reason. not to say that you shouldn't look into the general builds for each role to give you a feel for what you are doing, but specific items don't matter that much if you can do your job well.
4. get on a serious team and play 5s ladder/scrim other teams/enter small tournaments
the best learning experiences I had were getting smashed by TL premades in 5s ladder(shake and mogwai i'm looking at you >_>)
5. Watch or read about general trends throughout LCS or other major tournaments.
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Only need to answer one.
2) Acknowledging that I suck, and that there's always something I can do to win the game.
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On June 07 2013 03:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Only need to answer one.
2) Acknowledging that I suck, and that there's always something I can do to win the game.
Really this is the best advice. Look at every game you play and ask yourself what could I have done better?
Your losses will be the most obvious, but even when you win you have to realize there are so many areas you can improve. Yes, an answer can be "lead my teammates better" but don't cop-out with this every time. Examine your own play first before you critique anyone else.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
When I started playing ranked games over normal games.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Be willing to adapt. You may like one role, or one champion, or one build, but you need to be flexible in what you can do and how to respond to situations. If you find something that works for you, stick with it until it no longer does. Then you can figure out why no longer does, and alter it.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Play the game. Experience is going to teach you more than anything else. Don't just play it mindlessly though. Analyze what you do that works, and improve on what you do that doesn't work.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Streams (general knowledge), LOLWiki (stats), Surrenderat20 (news)
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United States23745 Posts
Nothing, I'm still bad 
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
Around the time I hit level 30, so about a year ago
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
See your mistakes and fix them
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Dont think too much about counters and look to play the strongest champions you are comfortable with
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Playing a lot and studying the game. Know the numbers.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Lolwiki and Lolking. Rarely do I go to reddit but there are a few good threads there (like I didn't know how MF's Double-Up worked even though I always "kind of knew"
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1) When I first met csheep
2) Csheep's worlds of wisdom
3) "Don't listen to csheep he sux"
4) play with csheep
5) I ask csheep
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1: It's my natural inclination to improve at any video game I play. I didn't get better with the specific goal of competing, I got better because becoming more skillful is something I enjoy.
2: Jungling. I started jungling early, when it was in its nascent stages, and as a result I learned game sense faster than I otherwise would have. Junglers have to know as much as possible about everything in order to achieve their potential, and knowing that I needed to know everything helped drive me forward.
3: Be fearless. It's really, really easy to play safe and lose games. You won't learn your limits unless you keep making bold mistakes.
4: Nothing beats experience, but only if the experience is meaningful. See #3.
5: Lolwiki.
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The most important part is that you learn how to talk your team into cooperating. This allows you to test your own limits much more frequently and you will learn a lot from your teammates.
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Every time i try to get better i lose, every time I try to win i win.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
Around the time season 2 started, I decided to try to improve while playing ranked. After finishing at under 1100 elo in season 1, I was determined to improve.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Just the ability to watch allies, say "I should do that" or "I shouldn't do that"
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Don't blame your teammates for everything, you are new and don't know you are doing things wrong.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Play and practice a lot.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
I browse the LoL reddit for things like the spellsy support counterpick guide, but most of the time I just learn through experience.
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1) Other way around for me. When I started I played mostly with players I knew from TF2 and a lot of them had level 30 accounts. Had to learn quickly, but that wasn't really a problem. Nowadays I don't play that much. The group I used to play with scattered a bit and I don't enjoy solo queue. So I mostly screw around in the couple of games I play. It'd be fun to play in a more serious team again, but I barely have the time to play a lot. much less organize/manage a team. I'm also unaware of amateur leagues.
2) BW strategy, TF2 teamplay and a little bit of LoL streams
3) Don't try and make Poppy work.
4) Play a lot for mechanics. Be critical of your play, don't blame your teammates.
5) League wiki for numbers on abilities.
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iam one of the guys who where drawn over from dota by some friends.
1. i tryharded pretty much since beginning. I don't see a point in playing a game if you don't try to win except you want to be nice to a new player or friend.
2. a mix of blaming myself and realizing that lol is all about teamplay
3. lol is not dota and its also not a easyer version of dota.
4. allways help your teammates.
5. wikia
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
From day 1. As a 10 year DotA veteran, I knew what the game was exactly like. I had skill but no knowledge, the first 300 games was pretty much trying to cram as much champion and item knowledge into my brain.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Observation. Just like in DotA, you watch the people who do good whether they are on your team or opposite team. If I was specific, then I'd say that I learnt building tank on all melee champions is the way to go to secure wins. Going damage will help you kill an enemy, but building tank will help you take on a whole team.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Put whatever thick-headed pride aside, open your ears(well... eyes to the chat log) and listen to your allies.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Practice play. Sticking with your team after the 20 minute mark also helps (even if you don't know exactly when to use your skills, it's the presence that counts)
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Mobafire, just to look up the actual numbers for champion skills that I don't know about.
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1) I wanted to get serious after I started watching more eSports and my friends started getting into it together with me, felt just like the good old SC2 days.
2) Similar with SC2, it's important to be humble and recognize when you're sucking. "You" are the only constant variable in your solo queue games and the best way to win is to focus on improving YOUR gameplay and not someone else's.
3) Dont drag out games any longer than they should be played, know when a game is 90% lost and dont waste your time hoping for a miracle. Instead just move on the the next game and learn from your mistakes. Likewise, dont waste other people's time and always take steps towards ending the game for your team.
4) Confession Time: As much as it pains me to say, and might rustle a few jimmies out there, I learned/progressed a lot as a player by jungling XJ9 style and realizing that when in doubt, trust yourself more than others + Show Spoiler + . Know when there are clear opportunities to help people in need, but also realize when someone is beyond help and your efforts are better spent elsewhere.
5) Streams are my favorite source of information, as it was in SC2. If you're just starting out/unfamiliar with certain champs almost every Guide site out should fill you in on all the details. Information wise however, visual demonstrations are always better.
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United States37500 Posts
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
Trolling is not in my dictionary but I will attempt new builds from time to time. (And by "new builds", I'm talking about in Season 1, for example, trying to deviate the standard Ring/Ring/Deathcap build you see most AP Mids go). I'm as tryhard as they come and I've been playing since the beta.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Being an "old player" doesn't mean anything. There's still a lot of things I can improve with my own game. Especially since I'm not like Slayer91 and don't play 1-2 champions for 200 games straight.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Everything starts with good CS in lane. Map awareness second. Item builds third.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Play the fucking game. Then look back after every match and ask what you could've done better.
Stream help only so much and they don't help if you don't know the ins and outs of a champion before hand. You need to have some experience to realize what the pros are doing better otherwise all the minor details that make pros pro go unnoticed.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
The wiki for obv stats that you need to look up. Otherwise solomid and lolking for general guides but please don't treat it as gospel. It's meant to get you started, not follow to the tee for the rest of your League career.
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1) S1: I wanted Gold for the skin+gold border. I played the ABC and got to Gold right before the end of the season.
2) I don't like spamming games, so then I watch streams because that's the only other way you improve. In solo queue, if you played your lane/position the best, regardless of win/loss feel satisfied and move on to next game.
3) If you want to play casually, then do whatever you want. If you want to play competitively amongst pros,develop your mechanics in solo queue so that you have enough gold to buy items at critical stage in a game.
4) Focus when you play. Just spamming games isn't going to drill any new information into your brain.
5) lolking and lolnexus and liquidpedia
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1) The game was brand new and nobody knew what their Elo was unless they heard it from a Rioter. I wanted to be recognized as a good player in the community. TL had a bunch of really high Elo players back then and I somehow got into games with them. We would queue against CLG and the like and everyone made fun of me because I was bad, even though I was in the top 200 in ladder s1.
2) Two things made me improve: Watching reginald 100-0 a rammus with a flash q combo from garen and getting made fun of a lot by good players.
3) You can outplay almost anyone in this game because most people suck and when you stop being able to outplay people your cs and mechanics begin to matter a LOT.
4) At this point? Start by watching a lot of pro games and try to replicate things that you think are fun. Unless you're at the top, you can learn a lot from them just by watching.
5) I just ask anyone I think is good on my friends list.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
I've always taken a lot of my enjoyment in games from understanding them better, and improving at them (not necessarily winning, just feeling that I'm playing better than last time) and I tend to commit pretty deep once I'm hooked, so there's a bit of it in the mindset. Went really more tryhard in early-mid s2, when I decided to hop into ranked, and once settled at an Elo use my progress as a measurement of when I play at my best (compared to normals where I'll just play stuff I enjoy even if I'm not proficient with it), and once you hit a wall find what binds you and overcome it to keep raising your Elo.
Once I've reached a plateau in s3 I've switched to just play to improve, and when that happens my rating will raise accordingly (eg. rather than recognise the effectiveness of a change of direction when my Elo rises after it).
I'm not above trolling or doing silly stuff (some people I play with I know we're going to lose horribly before the picks even start and I just don't care) but I keep it to norrmals.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Since I rely on game knowledge more than mechanics, mostly little stuff/behaviour (for example, knowing when to roam once you win your lane instead of just zoning in s2, manipulating the wave and pushing a bit from the start to deter aggression even with weak early game champs in s3).
Watching TOO when I decided to start jungling, as he was dropping knowledge bombs and talking a lot about game flow and sense at the time; in turn jungling in general enhanced my solo laning (gank timings... ) and game sense.
In general, going from "My game knowledge is superior to most people I play against/I did pretty well this game" to "However you look at it, I'm still one hell of a scrub. I carried this one game entirely, great, what could I still have done better ?".
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
No idea about myself. But when teaching new people, it seems like fun and having their insecurities addressed is important, so:
Find what makes you have fun and build upon it.
Last-hitting will give you the gold to test all those builds you're thinking about, so work on that first.
Noone dying is generally better than you both dying. If you want to win however, learn when you can kill while staying alive.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Understand the game, be it numbers, match-ups, team compositions, synergy. It's time-consuming and a pretty competitive mindset.
Then use that understanding and knowledge to get the most experience and hindsight out of your games, be it during or after them. Past a threshold it's the harder part (I wish I had the perspective to look at my replays without being "polluted" by the memories of what I was thinking during the games).
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
lolwiki mostly. Content available on TL but brewed outside (spellsy's productions, Monte's blog musings) if it counts. Some streams (TOO when he started getting popular for example, tho he switched to entertainment since; Scarra).
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1) Well obviously I was just stomping pubs till I got to lvl 30, then I did a couple of ranked (this was season 2). When the season 3 league system came out, I decided to start trying. I got into bronze 1 and since then have made it up to gold 4, been stuck a little while around there. As for why, I'd say since I forever I've always tried to play games to get good, not only for fun. In league of legends specifically, I'd say pub stomping gets boring and I was looking for a bigger challenge. I feel like if I dedicated a little more I could go higher up without too much trouble.
2) Objectives over kills. STOP CHASING AND TAKE THE TURRET MORON. <-- That single piece of advice is pretty huge for a lot of people(myself). Other than that, ward, ward, ward. As for farming/trading etc, I'd say to try stuff out, play agressive and learn from your mistakes. Last hitting for 10 minutes a day in a custom game is probably a great way to improve.
3) Pick a hero, learn it till you can stomp anyone with it and then move on, try the other roles. Try to watch some pro games to pick up how it works and use the available resources (build/counters)
4) ? Intelligent practice. Pick a role, pick 2-3 champs and practice only them until you get good enough, then try to improve specific areas of your gameplay. (Agression/Splitpushing/CS). Like I said earlier 10 minutes of last hitting in customs each time you play is good. Watch replays, especially for teamfights since they get very hectic and look what went wrong/right. LEARN
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)? www.solomid.net or probuilds.net for builds, championselect.net for counters (don't take the result for gospel truth though) and lolesports.com to watch LCS.
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1. I started LoL because I enjoy studying games to see how the pro-scene works and find comparisons between them. Competitive from the start but sub-30 and solo-queue aren't really conducive to this, unlike say, starcraft, where I can at least pretend to copy the pros (and get everything late/wrong admittedly).
2. Every role has to be filled. If you can't carry as AD because of bad supports (or vise versa) then just imagine someone less skilled and less tolerant than you in that duo lane. Your result doesn't improve just because you left the problem to someone else.
3. High elo consists of pro players and one trick ponies (looking at you Shake Lee Sin  ). Knowing and enjoying a very small pool of champions is far better than updating to flavour of the months.
4. Go balls deep. Don't be afraid to die. Sure in the short run you might feed a few kills and lose a game or 2 but in the long run you'll learn a lot about what your champion can do. You'd be amazed at the difference between a champions ability to trade and a champions ability to all-in. Jax is the perfect example.
5. Streams, Dyrus' stream was easily the best place of learning for me. LoLwiki is also useful whenever I have a numbers question. Champion guides are nigh useless, most forms of strategy (including itemisation) are category based rather than based on a specific champion. Sometimes you get specific interactions (splitpush shen, lich bane TF, blue ezreal etc). but this is rather rare.
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On June 07 2013 03:14 AsmodeusXI wrote:
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
After a few games. I wanted to get good and not be sucky for my friends. I don't really care too much about getting a higher division but I do want to get better at the game.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
An insight would be that you want to get out as many autoattacks as possible. Eg. in between spell rotations.
Another few I had a long time ago was that I could just gank people from their tribrush or check their items before ganking, or save my gap closer till they got away.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Mute people as soon as they get angry at you.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Experience. Replays help but someone who plays 100 games beats someone who plays 2 games and watches both replays.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
LoL Wiki. lolking.
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1. Wanted to try out a new game. Went inactive after reaching lv6 for about 6 months. Come back to play with friends. I stereotyped the game as easy with my pinky up. Then I lost a lot. at one point my record was 35-45. Then i was motivated to be good.
2. Harass with my auto attacks? That's when I started dominating everyone in midlane, which I mained for my lv10 to early lv30s. This lead to a plethora of things honestly. I was playing more aggressively and learned about minion retaliation and I was under a lot more situations and learned from them. This and last hitting. I emphasized the importance of last hitting.
3. Well, I tell my friends when they start to last hit and not die. Ignore everybody who insults. Turn camera lock off. Play the plethora of options you are given and not just 1 champion
4. Studying the game. Learn why things are good, why things are popular, why roles are there. Know the game in and out so learning the game is a lot more important imo. Makes you a better decision maker.
5. Solomid guides and lol wiki
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
-Since the beginning. Any game I own that has a competitive aspect I play competitively from the start.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
-Farming. In all rts games, starcraft, warcraft, league etc, I find that a lot of players at the start try to be too aggressive when they can just macro or farm to victory. Harass is fun and all, but only if you can use it to deny your opponents farm. In other words, it is pointless to deal damage just for the sake of dealing damage. Either you can kill your opponent, poke them when you are not at risk, or deny their farm while farming yourself. Don't get me wrong, there are clear times to be aggressive, but in the end it is all about who can buy the most stuff the fastest.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
-Don't play by yourself. If friends didn't push me to play league with them and I started playing on my own I would have stopped after the first few solo games. The community is crap when it comes to welcoming in new players, let alone the people you encounter even as a veteran in solo queue.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
-Playing all the roles. I see too many people who queue up and claim something in champion select "I can only jungle" "mid or feed" etc. And besides this, imo it gives players a better understanding on what they should do to help their team. IE: not pushing the lane. Every time I queue up I can tell who the players that don't know how to jungle. They have no concept of keeping the minions in the middle of the lane for the jungle to gank.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
-The wiki for specific stats etc.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
For me, it was a matter of thinking up random, silly stuff that worked (I enjoy theorycraft immensely!), and then seeing how far I could push those random, silly stuff into the higher tiers. I never stopped being random and silly.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Understanding the often neglected core mechanics of the game such as timers, cooldowns, gold bounties etc.
CS is king.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Buy RP, spend them on good 6.3k champs on sale, get proper rune pages. Other than that, enjoy the 1-30 process.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Play with better players (catch-22, I know). Watch tournament streams. Make a conscientious effort to improve, rather than just floating along and playing soloQ braindead. Don't get caught up with your ranking/tier and whatnot, that's all bullshit. Don't rage or talk down to teammates, just AFK/leave.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
LoL Wiki, Skype contacts, in2lol
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
When I saw TPA play at the finals.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Watching lots of commentaries, pro players and reading a bit about it.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Nearly every champion is capable of winning, no need to buy only those that pro players user (besides Trundle, Viktor and such)
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Practice, but evaluate your play, never blame your teammates even if they were shit, always focus only on your own improvement. Priactice the mechanics as much as you can.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Watch tournaments with good commentators, there's everything you need to know.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
[B]I have played every game competitively since I started playing Call of Duty 1 in 8th grade. Unfortunately, I didn't get into LoL until after I knew I would be going into the Peace Corps so I have always just played whatever I wanted for fun. Since October, when I started really following TL LoL, I haven't thought about playing LoL with a competitive attitude. I don't see my attitude changing
for a long time. I will always play to improve now.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
I am not actually sure if I have improved as I haven't played in 8 months, but I'd like to think that all the knowledge bombs on TL have helped me. Some things I did pick up before I left for Lesotho:
CS is important
Harassing with auto attacks
Wards wards wards
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Explain runes and which ones are a must buy and which are useless
Treat guides as a guide, not gospel
Learn about the items, champions, and make your own informed decisions on item builds
Focus on a small champion pool per role, and choose champions you like to play not just FOTM
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Watching replays
Watching streams
Playing with friends better than you
Being familiar with all the roles
Wards wards wards
Get rid of your ego
Have fun when you play!!
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Solomid.net and probuilds for guides/item builds/lane matchup info. I'd view TL guides more if more of them were kept up to date.
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1. Playing with better players who thought it would've been fun to play lvl 30 vs lvl 5.
2. Improving is about understanding a concept and applying it. Playing with friends who are better then you improves the competition + you get to learn a lot from them (both friends and opponents).
3. Play around match ups + objectives. If you lost a game, you could probably figure out why from the you've played the match up or the objective of what you want to accomplished wrong.
4. IMO this game is based off cause and effects established from champions in play, if you want to improve, you need to understand how it will work towards your favour or against you. You improve by making adjustments to how you can either stretch your advantage or mitigate your disadvantages over the course of the game.
5. Friends, Solomid, Streams, Chauster's AMA on CLG (It's less inactive now but I found it very useful because when it came to playstyle and match ups, you could read his insight and apply it to your lane or learn his thought process and try to apply elsewhere.
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Russian Federation1401 Posts
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
When my friends stopped playing SC2
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
After I ragequit for 2 months, I achieved a complete state of inner piece. This has led me to become a much better player
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Play for your teammates and not despite them.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Learn the gameplay and philosiphy of a good support first, to achieve good map awareness, zone control and teamplay.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Solomid, lolking, mobafire.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
Pretty much from the beginning. Just fooling around all the time simply isn't a lot of fun for me.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
No idea honestly.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Don't try to jungle Lee on a level 6 account, it doesn't work ^^
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Analysing your own mistakes and trying to get rid of them. A good replay service would be worth a metric shitton.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
lolwiki, lolpro, solomid, probuilds & lolking
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Been playing since beginning of S2, ended it at ~1600, now diamond IV.
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
I always played to win in ranked. I started ranked regularly about 2 months after hitting 30.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Trust no one, ignore everyone, lead the team. If you are in a make a play, capitalize as hard as you can on it. If you overcapitalize whatever, but if you never push your advantages, you never know how far you can go. Win lane. If you are two kills and a level up that's enough. Killing the other guy does nothing, kill their jungler, help your jungler do 3-4 man ganks on other lanes, shit on everyone else in the game.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
CS, take the AD masteries,runes and butcher if you have to but make those last hits. You never know how far you can push your champion until you've tried everything. At the start you are playing to win the first five minutes. Abuse "cheese" whatever, learn to push your champion to the limits. Abuse level timings, hitting 2 before the other guy, 4 before the other guy, 6 before the other guy etc etc.
Know when you are stronger, when you are weaker.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Play more. Learn to play with standard runes. Rely less and less on AD to last hit. Avoid it altogether. Take those mastery points out of butcher and put them in CDR, AS, whatever will help you.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
lolwiki - learn your champion, if you don't know your lane, see what they do.
lolpro - quick reference for skill order - You won't need it as you play more but one of the fastest ways to check things.
Streams - Excellent for learning to play matchup at the highest level. I learn much more now from them as I close to them in level but some streamers like oddone, wingsofdeathx, voyboy etc teach a decent amount that is sometimes relevant to lower ELO. Listen to how they talk at first but watch how they play if you want to improve.
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1) When I got back to LoL from playing Dota 2 for a while, I played with a very different outlook than before. I wouldn't say I ever played LoL competitively, but before then I really didn't know much about roles etc.
2) Playing Dota 2 made me tons better at LoL since it has a more competitive focus than LoL which immediately forces you to take those aspects into account. Picking a role to focus on helped me a ton since it lowers the amount of factors you have to learn.
3) Lane equilibrium and just how important last hitting is, in a realistic fashion. I remember starting out in lol and some people saying that it was important to get every single last hit on every single creep in every wave. Unrealistic benchmarks like that doesn't help at all. What DID help was when I read the guide on SK and understood just how much of an advantage proper last hitting gives you compared to hunting for kills. Just pure statistics like, if you get 80% of the last hits, you're THIS far ahead in gold compared to someone who only got 40% of them yet got x amount of kills in lane. Proper realistic benchmarks help a ton.
4) Always focus on your own performance, learn what good players in your role does and try to mimic them. Hit the important benchmarks. Learn how to impact the game as much as possible from your role.
5) I really don't know of any really good LoL resources, I find most guides on mobafire etc to be quite bad. The best I can think of is either watching progames, or progamers who commentate a lot stream. Just like Purge for Dota 2, a good player who specifically talks about his decision making during games is invaluable because you learn how you should be approaching the game.
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1) When I started playing on the KR server and realized I couldn't blame ping for being bad anymore.
2) the wise man 5hitcombo once told me (as I was 1-10 on ashe) that the secret to winning is not dying. Combined with Alex Ich: See Hero, Kill Hero mentality and you have a style that falls toward the aggressive spectrum where you learn the limitations of the match ups and matches.
3) Knowing what, when and how to take map objectives. That and lane mechanics.
4) Learn by watching what Pro's do and don't, and learn why. Saying X pro does/doesn't do this so it must be good is one thing, knowing why he does/doesn't it is completely different. Knowing why also allows you to evaluate if it is a good thing or not and build yourself from there on.
5) Leaguepedia, high Elo players, streams.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
I always play to win, even if I do silly stuff like Fiddle or Darius support. Ok, I went AP Jarvan in ARAM once.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
I came in with pretty decent map awareness as a longtime semi-non-scrub Brood War player. I focused a lot about learning the skills of all the champs and figuring out how champions interact-- I focused most on support vs. support, then brought the AD's into the picture.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Buy wards. Please. You can't buy anything else with 75 gold that's nearly as useful. Also, consumables are good and you should buy them.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Mechanics and map awareness. Learning to use the ping system (I still haven't really), gauging the mood of your team to get them to group, take objectives and give advice in the nicest way possible. Knowing how to use the ignore button. nowng when to take a break.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
I used to google guides for stuff. A little bit of reddit I guess.
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I'm pretty wordy, so some long answers =/.
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
+ Show Spoiler +I got into LoL because I was burning out on sc2 and a group of friends of around 5-6 people were all playing LoL together. Soon after getting into the game proper, I realized that my friends all kinda sucked, and I wanted to make them better since I quickly became the best player in the group considering I was the only one who was really gaming with a competitive mindset. Unfortunately, they took my rapid improvement and constant nagging at them about everything poorly, is a small part of why I'm not longer friends with them. But I wanted to better myself and better them, so that's why I played to improve.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
+ Show Spoiler +This encompasses a lot, but to put it all down in a phrase, it's the knowledge of what is possible, and that it is possible for me to achieve it. I'll give three examples. When I got flash at level 12 or whatever for the first time, I understood what the spell did, but I didn't realize how elastic the ability usage was. I watched a stream and it hit me how consistantly people flashed over walls, and how the slightly more technical (pretty simplistic to us now) jumps over larger wall spaces work. I started to try myself, and it was super hard because I got nervous and flashed too early and failed hard a lot. But knowing that it was possible allowed me to grind the games necessarily to do it consistantly. (Another example in this line in the alistar combo.)
The second example is the idea of range differentials. When I knew the range differences, I was like, cool trivia knowledge, but until I saw a pro stream I didn't realize how much you could abuse it. As ashe, when I learned that the fact that I had 600 range meant that I could auto the enemy ad every single time they went to last hit, that dramatically changed my understanding of lane dynamics. When I learned that it was possible, I set out to learn how to do it, and thus I became better.
The last example is my breakout from gold to plat and now diamond which was more or less the simple realization that even though my mechanics are fairly strong, it was not nearly as difficult as I thought to become like people on the streams. I had incredible difficulty dealing with malphites as adc--it felt like every teamfight, they'd just ult me and I'd be helpless and I die. One day I was watching a stream and a malphite kept trying to engage, and for something like four ults in a row, the people just flashed out. He was understandably frustrated, but the fact that it was possible opened my eyes. In later games, I flashed out of malphite ults. I flashed over a nami tital wave into her. I alistar pulverised to cancel out a xin gap closing on me. I janna tornado canceled a jarvan flag pulling onto my ad. A vayne I played against flashed over me when she anticipated me launching my collateral damage as graves, and won the 1v1 easily, and instead of being like, that's bullshit, I went, that's super smart, I want to do that. It's not a matter of not being able to do the really impressive looking stuff, it's knowing that it's possible to gain that mechanical ability and do those kinds of things. Then learning to do it is the easy part.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
+ Show Spoiler +That you can move the minimap, so I can actually benefit off my starcraft map awareness.
Having a friend play with you and tell you if a champion does magic or physical damage, and so whether you should build armor or mr is also a huge help.
Proper itemization and to experiment with item builds. I tried to explain this to my friends who picked up the game after me, but it's always like, way too many choices and way too much knowledge at once. Just the concept that you should try a build and then adapt it and learning when and how to adapt item builds is such an imporant skill to have in this game.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
+ Show Spoiler +
The way I started LoL and the position I honestly think it is best to breed a mechanically strong player (for people with zero dota-like game experience like me) is adc mid. It's harder now, since unlike when I started it's no longer the meta and people will rage and so forth, but it really is the best place/way to gain clarity of last hit mechanics and reading your opponent. It's better than a mage, since you have to train yourself harder to last hit without really relying on abilities (or at least not to the extent ap mids do), and you can do so in an actual 1v1 scenario since there's no jungler and you're not in a weird 2v2 lane.
If you're in ranked already though, I think it's just better to set mechanical benchmarks for yourself. Play Leblanc, plan to kill the enemy mid 3 times in lane. Then say, okay, I can do that, now I want to kill him twice but still have 130 cs by 20 minutes. Then 150. After you gain that mechanic ability, then you can work your roaming and map awareness and gain a million kills all over the map cause you're lb, but that means that for every mid you play, you already have the mechanic ability to consistantly hit at least 130 cs by twenty minutes, which will take you to higher elos by itself.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
+ Show Spoiler +Mostly just watch a lot of pro streams. I go to lolwiki, and when I'm picking up a new champ I use probuilds and rarely solomid guides.
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On June 07 2013 03:14 AsmodeusXI wrote:
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Thanks all!
Couldn't fit this in a better question. An under appreciated method to improving in LoL comes down to something that's done in all forms of sports/games everywhere. Just play against someone better than you. You can use 1v1s or other methods you might have available. This is why inhouses are/were so popular. This is also why teams want to scrim against better teams, and are hesitant to scrim lesser teams. I'm relatively certain out of all other methods, this one is one where you'll improve the fastest(aside from the whole just playing more to gain more experience of course)
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On June 07 2013 03:14 AsmodeusXI wrote:
In the hidden laboratories of TL LoL, unfinished projects and burgeoning creations lurk in the shadows. Occasionally, the mad scientists that are the Staff help an experiment complete its genesis, and unleash it upon the unsuspecting forum to cause chaos and mayhem to better the informed strategic dialog upon which we pride ourselves.
Yet every once in a while, the beasts require sacrifice input from the community for which they are made.
Which is the point of this thread.
There's a thing that's been hanging around the Staff forum for a while at various states of construction, but there's a chance it could be released soon™. However, to do so, we need some help from everyone on TL LoL. I've got a few questions here for which the answers would be extremely helpful in completing our little Frankenstein monster, and I would love it if TL users of all divisions and experience gave some insight.
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
I appreciate any and all help y'all can give me, especially if you've been playing for a while and have climbed up the ranks/Elo/whatever.
Thanks all!
1. I've been competitive from day one, but I'm a person who loves play unorthodox things and builds that people could call silly or troll. It's always 100% to win though.
2. Mostly 'advanced' game sense stuff such as lane control, objective timing and pressure. The basics were easy to come by - CS, don't die, ward, pay attention to the map - but talking with way better players than myself has opened my eyes to a lot of things that I didn't even know I needed to improve on.
3. There's way too many to list. Mostly I'd want to be pointed to resources and people I could ask questions of.
4. Ask someone better than you what you could improve, and LISTEN.
5. I use LoLpro for quick build overviews on unfamilliar champs, but mostly I've been in the game long enough to collect a lot of general knowledge on champs even if I don't play them. Streams are the big thing, the LoL subreddit has a ton of noise but some good signal too.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
- I'd played a few ranked games prior to the new league system, got put into Silver 5 automatically, then due to inactivity (I hadn't played a single ranked game since the new league system was implemented) I got demoted to Bronze 1, that made me want to get my level back up (I then proceeded to get a promotion series in one game and, then 3-2 that) and carried on since then
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
- All roles are important, in fact the ones people tend to look down on (support/jungler) can actually make a bigger impact than the "Damage Dealers," this really came from watching a ton of LoL in LCS and seeing just how then supports and junglers actually make a huge difference and can even elevate mediocre teammates (whereas the other 3 roles tend to be more selfish).
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
- Learn support and jungler, not just because they are important roles but they provide you with knowledge and skills that help with all positions. Support (especially at low ELO) is "the lone warder" and while that can suck, it does show you how important those little sticks are, also support highlights the importance of proper ability usage (as you can't fallback onto auto's like some others due to lack of farm). Jungle really highlights map awareness, you need to constantly be aware of which lanes are pushed, which are pushing, who's missing, has the enemy jungler ganked. what hp are the other players (enemy and ally), have they used big CD's that could influence a gank (Karthus/Shen/TF especially) etc... Also, if you're going to insist on play Mid/Top try and pick roaming champs to try and get that map awareness back up.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
- Practice, same as everything else, pick a champ you're interested in then play a couple of solo bot games just to get used to the different abilites and how they're used, my favourite examples are Kha'zix and Zed, without practicing how to effectively use their abilities they'll never live up to their potential, doing this in a solo game really takes the pressure off (no teammates constantly berating you if you do badly). Also, check out some of the tricks used in pro games and practice them in solo games (Kha'zix W while jumping with E, Jayce firing Q then dropping acceleration gate after and still getting the boost, etc...)
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
- LoLPro to start a basic build, but these days I tend to see what pro teams tend towards and try and adapt it (I realize I can't do it as well as they can but you can definitely take hints from what they do).
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What made me better at LoL?
After each game, going back and being able to point out to myself where the hell I fucked up and figure out how I was going to improve it.
And taking the attitude that anything less then perfect csing/making the absolute best of every single opportunity in the game, such as not alling someone you can kill, and then doing slightly better the next game.
The moment you think you have nothing to improve and that you need better teammates to get higher rating is the moment you stop improving.
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plat 3 on euw
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
at the very beginning, coming from BW/SC2 and other competitive gaming, I wanted to learn more about the gamen and get to a "decent" level. I still took me about 500games to not feel clueless about the game and start improving significantly.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
LOLREPLAY srsly
Playing free champions to know what each of them do. Lolwiki for abilitie's CD and ratios, TK lol GD for itemization, build theory and cost efficiency. Actively watching streams to understand trading in laning phase, teamfighting (peeling, initiation, burst and sustained damage)
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
LOLREPLAY srsly
concentrating in a couple roles/champions before expending game knowledge.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
LOLREPLAY srsly
not blamin your team as the main reason you lose but understand where you fucked up and made your own odd of winning thinner.
playing ranked and think for yourself.
YOU.SUCK
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
LOLREPLAY srsly
I would still refer TL LoL GD because this is where you find the best knowledge and theorycraft.
Otherwise lolwiki and some high elo streams each providing different points.
"teachers" scarra, wings, voyman
"raw mechanix" froggen, peke, liftlift, lantyr, incarnati0n, bjergsen, wildturtle, dyrus
"fun" saint, qtpie, oddone, daydreamin, druidroid, aphromoo
"weird & out of the box thinking" xj9, qtpie, boxbox/BestRivenNA
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
Always been working on improving even though I downright sucked especially though s1 and s2, I've never trolled anyone. Although this season I took a more competitive approach. A lot of which I owe to one of my buddies that I play with sometimes. He started making the climb to Diamond from Silver (he's plat 2 atm.) Seeing that I figure I could at least get to Gold which is the goal I set for myself at the moment (currently Silver 2, hopefully going to Silver 1.)
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Honestly, Watching Streams, Reading Guides and watching replays of my bad games. There is always something for me to improve on.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Don't level 1-30 with just Coop vs A.I, games. You'll get into a lot of bad habits because some of the things that bots back for people won't. Always play against people. Work on basics like last hitting, map awareness, objective control, positioning, warding.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
You get better not just by playing alone. Acknowledging the mistakes you make. Knowing how to take advantage of your opponents mistakes. Being able to adjust your build to combat what the enemy is building. Being comfortable enough with multiple roles including Support
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
LoLPro, Solomid.net, for guildes. Spelly's support sheet for support a lot of things support. Twitch for some of the streams (stvicious, krepo, scarra, xpecial). Lolking and wiki for check for champ stats like CD's on ults that I can't remember.
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see i think you guys have it backwards. i used to tryhard soloq all the time until i realized i could just troll people in normals all day =]
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United States37500 Posts
wut a liar, you tryhard in normals too, u fun police
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it only feels tryhard when ur losing to it 
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How I got better, I stopped using chat.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
1) I've been following Starcraft for a long time, so when I started playing LoL it was with a mind for competition.
2) The most fundamental thing is to fight when you have greater numbers, and not to fight when you have lesser numbers. Everything else, like unit interactions, or which champion is strong against which, is secondary. To accomplish this, you need to know where your allies are, and to the extent of your knowledge, where your enemies are. So look at the minimap all the time. Cast your spells, then look at the minimap. Right click where you want to go, then look at the minimap.
Now, the more detailed version of this is to fight when your are stronger, and not to fight when you are weaker, but this involves giving less concrete advice like being aware of who has become strong.
As for laning, I'm reminded of something Zekent said: "all you are trying to do is to trade well with the opponent; do more damage to him than he does to you".
3) When I was starting out, my brother told me: "get last hits, that is the most important skill for a beginner to learn". I focused on last hitting, but I didn't know anything else about the game, so I didn't understand last hitting. Is creep score the most important factor in the game? Is it the number of kills a team has? No, it's how much gold a team has. I was overly fixated on last hitting when I didn't need to be. So to a starting player, I would say that as long as you have fun with the game and you're smart, you'll improve, and if you play a lot, you'll be good; just don't underestimate how much is 'a lot'.
4) I've thought about this, and I believe the best way to improve is to play organized games with four other people. There are so many advantages when you can talk with your team. You are provided with a constant stream of information of what your team knows, instead of having to look yourself. You learn what to say, and what not to say; that is, what information is important to your team. When your are coordinated, you have a better idea of what works, and what doesn't work. The information provides the biggest advantage, though. When you are talking, everyone on the team is constantly aware of the game state, in contrast to solo queue, where everyone is in their own little world, no idea of what's happening on the other side of the map. Basically, you are playing the "real game", while everyone else is playing a lesser, more convenient version.
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On June 08 2013 13:42 De4ngus wrote:it only feels tryhard when ur losing to it
or u can troll in solo queue and win anyway.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
Always have. /shrug.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
That winning lane matchups is not what wins game. Map pressure wins games. killing nexus towers wins games. Ultimately, teamfighting well, getting your team to listen to you (or atleast one predominant strategy), roaming, controlling objectives well, controlling the map and having good vision/awareness... all of these just as important if not more important to win than just "winning lane".
Someone wins a lane really hard in almost every game that is played, and loses regardless.
Navi got me started on this idea, but what really pounded it home was playing against SilSol in a normal game in the middle of S2. At the time he was famous for "feeding" in High Elo streams. Beat him in lane pretty handily. Killed him three times, probably 50-60 CS ahead after laning ended. His team crushed us anyway, SilSol carried hard, was just more effective.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Just play lots, dont worry about winning. Look back at the end of each game and decide what to improve.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
^^^
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Lol Wiki, Solomid.
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The mute button: Makes the game way more enjoyable,helps you focus on what you have to do, lets you ignore ragers and other random nasties. Unless of course your at a higher level where you need more than ping messages to communicate, this works.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
What the fuck is improvement? I only understand what trolling is.
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Similar to Goku and the gravity chamber, I played the preseason and the first season of LoL with only the trackpad on my laptop and locked camera, mainly playing junglers. Once I transitioned to normal mouse play and unlocked camera, everything was extremely easy in comparison.
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United States37500 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 10 2013 14:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
oh rawflez
You tryhard and still feed. 
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
I've always played to get better from the very start
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Finding out what role I'm comfortable in playing the most, focusing on a few champions, learning matchups for a few champions
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Being masters in starcraft doesn't mean you'll find league mechanics easy. This game is more focused on knowledge so try and know as much as you can about matchups, how to secure objectives, etc
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Find your role, Top and Jungle are less skillshot reliant compared to mid because top and jungle are more melee champs.(Renekton, Shen, Riven Vs Anivia, Ahri, Orianna, Karthus) AD carry relies on good positioning and kiting. Support could be skillshot dependent if you play things like blitzcrank. If you like to initiate teamfights, definitely play top or jungle as those are the easiest roles to initiate with. After that pick champions you want to get better at, focus on only a few so you can learn as many matchups as you can. Pick champions that are strong in the current meta if you want to try and win solo q games the easiest. After that just develop general game sense like having an idea where the jungler is, securing dragons, when to take towers.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Videos of pro players playing the champion you're interested in and winning against them without too much jungler help. For example, my favorite champion and probably best one is Irelia. I played her almost exclusively up until level 30. If i were to start playing her now, I'd probably need 1-2 games to have an idea how her skills interact. Anyways I got better with Irelia by playing her a lot which exposes me to as many different matchups as possible. When I had trouble figuring out how to win certain matchups like Irelia vs Jax or Irelia vs Malphite, watching recent relevant vods of Wickd playing those matchups helped extremely. I probably watched him play Irelia vs Jax 10 different times to see when and how he executed trades against jax and when he had kill potential. In a lot of these vods he killed jax 1v1 without jungler help which imo is the most useful. Since top lane snowballs so much, seeing him get a kill level 3 due to jungler ganks would be very unhelpful as hes just getting advantage because his jungler helped him, something you should never count on happening. That site prololmatchups.com could be potentially useful.
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On June 10 2013 13:54 Roffles wrote:
1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
What the fuck is improvement? I only understand what trolling is.
Haven't refined your art of trolling even the slightiest bit in all this time?
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United States37500 Posts
rawflez is pretty bad. You'll have to excuse him.
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2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Realize that when I'm starting out, switching from dota, I'm playing with people who will probably never get out of silver/bronze in their lifetimes, so I should stop getting pissed off as fuck when they play with useless mechanics or troll/feed on purpose, because that just gets me angry, makes me play worse, and be too blinded by rage to improve at all. I just have to accept that 40% of my games are going to be unwinnable until my skill gets to a point that is a league or more above my actual rating, and just focus on improving my own mechanics rather than trying to win - because trying to win is too much of a mental investment and leads to rage in those games. Which is rather hard to accept, but yea.
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1) I had always played semi-seriously because I had been into dota
2) wards are cheap and you can buy as many of them as you want so do it.
3) wards are good and cheap so buy them. If you're in a solo lane, just think about their cooldowns
4) work on mechanics and looka t the map
5) usually just like a chart for technical details (like which ledges can nidalee jump off)
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On June 10 2013 09:11 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 13:42 De4ngus wrote:it only feels tryhard when ur losing to it or u can troll in solo queue and win anyway.
cant do 10 man skype in soloq wtf
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
Started out playing competitively as I used to play Heroes of Newerth and got out all of my "noobiness" in that game, as it was my first MOBA.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
I read guides like crazy. Gonna play a champ? Guide open. Tried to read as much as I could during the loading screen and pre/post-game. Streams helped too but not as much (unless it's like Voy who commentates a lot). On top of that, watching pro tournies to see how they played and used certain strats helped familiarize me with the team setting.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Runes are important (I used one rune page for a majority of things and didn't realize how important they were to the lane phase), sometimes you have to change your build depending on the situation, and CS means a lot more than you think once you add it up.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
I'm still trying to figure this out myself - right now, I've been streaming my grind to Plat (Shameless plug, twitch.tv/mondorocksu) and just watching the VODs when I have time to see what I could have done better regardless if I won or lost. Other than that, practice makes perfect.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
I like using LoLWiki to see how the numbers are on certain champs (good AP scaling, flat damage, etc), as well as LoLKing or Solomid guides if I need help on a specific matchup or am learning someone new. I tend to use LoLKing for champs I'm not that experienced with, but Solomid guides for more in-depth guides.
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On June 12 2013 09:04 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:11 Navi wrote:On June 08 2013 13:42 De4ngus wrote:it only feels tryhard when ur losing to it or u can troll in solo queue and win anyway. cant do 10 man skype in soloq wtf
not high enuf elo
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Taking break(s) from lol. Trying too hard in ranked always ends up in frustrations to me, and a net decrease of skill / enjoyment. So I just stop to play, or play once in a while with friends, happy and focussed.
Every time I come back for a ranking session, I crush the ladder like a mad man and get like 3 divisions up.
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On June 12 2013 16:53 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 09:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 10 2013 09:11 Navi wrote:On June 08 2013 13:42 De4ngus wrote:it only feels tryhard when ur losing to it or u can troll in solo queue and win anyway. cant do 10 man skype in soloq wtf not high enuf elo
i see through ur lies. its a trap to make me play the terror game mode.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
A friend got me playing and I never played a solo game until I was like level 25 because I was extremely nervous. When I finally managed to play a game by myself I realized that I was getting carried HARD(I was playing premades with mostly level 30s prior to that). I don't like having others do things for me that I could do myself(like winning games) so I decided I'd play better than anyone I encounter.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, that's not why you play solo queue, it matters what you take from the match and how you use the experience you got to become better. Obviously, if you're playing in a tournament it is about winning.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Think about what you're doing, be it buying an item or going ham, think about what could go wrong, who the opponent is and how powerful each enemy champion is, why you're doing what you're doing and if you don't come to the conclusion that it is the absolute best course of action then don't do it. ALWAYS expect the worst to happen. Also League is not really a game about killing champions. Sure, that helps, but a champion kill is only worth ~20 CS and you can get 5 times that in 10 minutes of farming.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Other than playing the game and learning the items and mechanics of each champion, watch replays of your games(using LoLReplay, when it works) and watch everything you do, analyze what you could've done better, every little mistake you do, like missing that one minion because you went to ward and take mental notes. Every second minion glance at the minimap. Excluding teamfights, you should ALWAYS do this. No exception.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
The wiki mostly. Guides are good if you don't know what to build but they're exactly that, guidelines to point you in the right direction and should not be followed blindly.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
In preseason 1, when a buddy of mine got high ELO and was playing with Valkrin/jiji/chau/Statikk/CleverAdvisor every game and I got jealous.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
To go from being a bad player to a decent player you have to learn where not to be. To go from being a decent player to a good player you have to learn where to be.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
The mechanics of almost every champion are very similar. Perfect your play with 1 or 2, and then play everything else. You will pick them up quickly and become a strong, versatile player faster than if you try to play everything from the start.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Test your limits. Go for plays you don't think will work. Make calls you are scared to make. Challenge yourself to dominate matchups you aren't comfortable in. Fail A LOT. And you will get much, much better. The easiest way to never get better is to play at the same level you always have and make the same decisions you always have. If you go outside your comfort zone, you will fail a lot more, but even in your failures you will get better than you ever would just playing in your box.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
LPL/OGN vods, probuilds, and NA scrims if I can hear their voice chat.
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1) I still haven't fully played competitively. No ranked games on me, but I do play to win. Ever since level 30, I decided to actually commit to a role (support!!!) and understand the game more than just random champions in random lanes.
2) It's a game, some(most)times people take it for more. It's okay to have fun, but if you really want to play to win, then play to win.
3) Got this from LCS yesterday. "Money is vision (wards), vision is power." And it's a team game, play as team, win and lose as a team.
4) It depends. I have a bad habit of trying to get better just by playing the game; for some, it's good enough, for others, they really have to study (guides, builds, etc.). You can theorycraft all day but IMO, that's easier/better for StarCraft than LoL. Also, I'll admit I haven't done this enough but...watch pros play (streams/tournaments), read guides, and practice. The ratio of theory to application differs from person to person, so find the right one for you.
5) Whenever a pro puts up a guide, those are usually good to look at. I use LoLking for my builds because they sponsor EG. Used to use Mobafire, but LoLking sponsors EG, so LoLking it is.
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
I started playing competitively since May 2012. I played League since Beta, but only played normals and trolled around and didn't play to win. I was banned on my first account for intentionally feeding and being a dick, and I didn't like the sn of my second account, so I'm currently on my third account (Tracewyvern). I climbed from 900 elo (Bronze V) to Plat III since then, and I'm looking to hit Diamond! I enjoy climbing ladders, whether they be League or SC.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Don't type, don't rage, just play the game and play your best.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Don't buy runes until level 20. Don't buy champoins just because they look cool. Learn cheap, easy, and OP champions (Ryze, Nunu, TF, Janna, Amumu, Cho'Gath, Malphite, Fiddle, Kayle, Evelynn, Nasus, Singed, Tryndamere, and Udyr are all pretty good/easy/cheap.. get the free Alistar and Tristana, too)
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Acknowledge your mistakes, and learn from them. Get better at mechanics, map awareness, and memorise key timings.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
League wiki, /r/summonerschool, solomid.net, lolpro.com, probuilds.net, pro AMAs and pro streams.
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focusing on own play instead of your teammates play helped me a lot =) but I guess that's a pretty standard answer
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1) When and why did you decide to play LoL to improve instead of to troll and do random, silly stuff (when did you start playing competitively)?
Trolling all day long lost its fun after a while. I just focused on improving my laning and jungling in normal games before going to ladder so i wouldnt look like a total idiot.
2) What knowledge or insight has helped you to improve at LoL the most?
Probably spacing and positioning. You can learn what to do from a guide, but learning where to be, when to flash in for the kill, where the jungler is, when to reverse a gank, etc can only be done through practice.
3) If you were starting today, what are some things that you wish someone would tell you about LoL?
Not so much tell me about LoL, but instruct me as to what champs do what. Pretty difficult to remember 100 QWER and passives.
4) What do you think is the best way to become a better LoL player?
Focus on 1 champ per lane and all its matchups, then slowly expand the range of champs. Go to ranked when youre comfortable with at least 2-3 champs per lane.
5) What resources do you refer to when you seek LoL knowledge (other than TL)?
Mobafire for general builds, championselect.net for counters, lolnexus for team ranks.
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