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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
May 16 2013 01:45 GMT
#161
I guess I can still play uhhhh.... Kha'Zix? Might pick up Akali again but seriously, Diana, Zac, Zed, Elise and Varus are all my go-to champions for their roles. I wish Riot wouldn't nerf FotM and let the meta develop. People say Zed is too strong but recently there have been a good number of counter plays for him and people learnt to deal with him better. Diana was balanced IMO, but no, they have to nerf her because she got popular all of a sudden.

I'm pretty bitter but I'm glad I can pick Akali back up, that CD on her ult was just stupid before.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 16 2013 01:46 GMT
#162
Actually they should have just changed nami Q to knockup instead of a stun. It's pretty ridiculous that it's not a knockup.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
May 16 2013 01:52 GMT
#163
On May 16 2013 09:42 Alaric wrote:
They should go down at 4 AM (so 1:20 from now) and they're generally offline 4-5h for all I know.


The down times for the NA server are terrible, it's not unusual for it be like 8-12 hours or more. At least for like 3-4 patches.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
May 16 2013 02:07 GMT
#164
On May 16 2013 10:39 dartoo wrote:
Nooooo........twisted fate First hero I bought. Not sure how much of a hit he'll take....is the attack speed buff useful? Do you build him the same way now? I dont really like him as an adc..

The minimap thing, I've died a bit to accidentaly clicking on the minimap, but I use it a lot to get around too..so not sure if I'll turn off using minimap to move around.



The attack speed is pretty much only good for splitpushing/backdooring/xpeke. Might not be worth putting a point into E until Q and W are maxed imo. I can't play TF though.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
May 16 2013 02:13 GMT
#165
On May 16 2013 06:38 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 06:34 Seuss wrote:
On May 16 2013 06:32 MoonBear wrote:
Wait is AP Gangplank a thing? I don't get the Patch Spotlight lol


It is in ARAMs.

I have never seen an AP Gangplank, like ever.

Also, Nami becoming stealth OP. I'm going to go collect that hipster cred soon.


Daydreamin will play it in the summer LCS and ruin everything for the people trying to be ninja with that nami.
Shake n Blake
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada159 Posts
May 16 2013 02:14 GMT
#166
Sigh. I hope one day Riot will remember Viktor and buff his hexcore so he doesn't scale off so much late game.
Always be searching for an epiphany
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 16 2013 02:44 GMT
#167
On May 16 2013 11:14 Shake n Blake wrote:
Sigh. I hope one day Riot will remember Viktor and buff his hexcore so he doesn't scale off so much late game.

I don't really get it. In my opinion a 99 AP item that gives a buff to your E isn't exactly terrible, even if it's not optimal. I think that it's totally fair having a weaker lategame when your early/mid get so superbuffed for free.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 02:48:24
May 16 2013 02:45 GMT
#168
i've come to the conclusion that no one (or very few people) know how to play support champs. a lot of them have winrates a lot lower than they should considering how powerful their kits are. obviously there being one per team and a certain dependence on other members of the team for damage will keep their w/r closer to 50% than otherwise, but still.

karma is op a shit, yet her w/r is like 40%. thresh is still ridiculously strong, even though most people don't play him to his full potential. nami is still getting buffed, despite the fact i can get so farmed half the time that i can essentially play her as a secondary adc with no detriment to her supporty abilities.

get a sightstone, build a bilgewater, land your q, w eee ult bam free kill

also, dat feel when you *don't feel* like playing a champ in ARAM, reroll and get janna.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 02:57:43
May 16 2013 02:54 GMT
#169
On May 16 2013 11:45 ticklishmusic wrote:
i've come to the conclusion that no one (or very few people) know how to play support champs. a lot of them have winrates a lot lower than they should considering how powerful their kits are. obviously there being one per team and a certain dependence on other members of the team for damage will keep their w/r closer to 50% than otherwise, but still.

karma is op a shit, yet her w/r is like 40%. thresh is still ridiculously strong, even though most people don't play him to his full potential. nami is still getting buffed, despite the fact i can get so farmed half the time that i can essentially play her as a secondary adc with no detriment to her supporty abilities.

get a sightstone, build a bilgewater, land your q, w eee ult bam free kill

also, dat feel when you *don't feel* like playing a champ in ARAM, reroll and get janna.



I don't have much against your post, but the current karma should not be considered primarily as a support. Her win rating on websites might be bogged down due to people still wanting to play her as a support. From my understanding, she is made in mind for a role as a solo laner. As in, Riot made a conscious decision to change her to fit the AP utility role/solo lane rather than keep her in a support role.

In other words, if you want to play Karma right now, you should do so in a solo lane because she's going to be far more efficient in that role than the support role. The biggest thing that makes a support champion is their efficiency in that role. It's a bit difficult to describe because I suck at explaining properly.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 16 2013 02:58 GMT
#170
Why did that other thread get banned?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
May 16 2013 02:58 GMT
#171
lol i just got elise this week figuring about time i learn her cuz shes such a bitch in top lane, i wonder if its still worth it
Moar banelings less qq
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 03:06:24
May 16 2013 03:00 GMT
#172
On May 16 2013 11:58 IamPryda wrote:
lol i just got elise this week figuring about time i learn her cuz shes such a bitch in top lane, i wonder if its still worth it

If you want some spidery action, she's probably still going to be fine in jungle :3

She's been out of fashion in top lane for quite some time now anyways
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 16 2013 03:09 GMT
#173
On May 16 2013 10:45 TSBspartacus wrote:
I guess I can still play uhhhh.... Kha'Zix? Might pick up Akali again but seriously, Diana, Zac, Zed, Elise and Varus are all my go-to champions for their roles. I wish Riot wouldn't nerf FotM and let the meta develop. People say Zed is too strong but recently there have been a good number of counter plays for him and people learnt to deal with him better. Diana was balanced IMO, but no, they have to nerf her because she got popular all of a sudden.

I'm pretty bitter but I'm glad I can pick Akali back up, that CD on her ult was just stupid before.

They're not even nerfing FotMs at this point.

The Caitlyn nerf is like...directed at how the game was played 2 months ago, lol.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
May 16 2013 03:12 GMT
#174
On May 16 2013 10:45 TSBspartacus wrote:
I guess I can still play uhhhh.... Kha'Zix? Might pick up Akali again but seriously, Diana, Zac, Zed, Elise and Varus are all my go-to champions for their roles. I wish Riot wouldn't nerf FotM and let the meta develop. People say Zed is too strong but recently there have been a good number of counter plays for him and people learnt to deal with him better. Diana was balanced IMO, but no, they have to nerf her because she got popular all of a sudden.

I'm pretty bitter but I'm glad I can pick Akali back up, that CD on her ult was just stupid before.


Dunno about you, but I hate champions that can do everything. Diana happens to be one of them. She is naturally tanky for an ap mid, has a shield, engages fights rather well, and can do a fair amount of damage.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 03:38:15
May 16 2013 03:13 GMT
#175
Yeah, the caitlynn nerf perplexes me, Varus has been the number1 choice for pushing, kiting and 4+1 teams for quite some time. I guess it's kinda inconsequential though since she is played so little already LOL

Rammus taunt no longer targeting creeps is long king overdue though
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 16 2013 03:15 GMT
#176
On May 16 2013 12:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 10:45 TSBspartacus wrote:
I guess I can still play uhhhh.... Kha'Zix? Might pick up Akali again but seriously, Diana, Zac, Zed, Elise and Varus are all my go-to champions for their roles. I wish Riot wouldn't nerf FotM and let the meta develop. People say Zed is too strong but recently there have been a good number of counter plays for him and people learnt to deal with him better. Diana was balanced IMO, but no, they have to nerf her because she got popular all of a sudden.

I'm pretty bitter but I'm glad I can pick Akali back up, that CD on her ult was just stupid before.

They're not even nerfing FotMs at this point.

The Caitlyn nerf is like...directed at how the game was played 2 months ago, lol.

Caitlyn nerf similar to the Ez nerfs. They weren't op'd, but were nerf cuz "too popular".

Also; Riot where my Lee Sin buffs?
liftlift > tsm
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13845 Posts
May 16 2013 03:28 GMT
#177
On May 16 2013 10:46 Shikyo wrote:
Actually they should have just changed nami Q to knockup instead of a stun. It's pretty ridiculous that it's not a knockup.

I landed a clutch nami q in a game today and learned the hard way that it wasn't a knockup despite visualy knocking them up.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 03:29:58
May 16 2013 03:29 GMT
#178
A crapload of nerfs and barely any buffs.

Great patch once again riot -_- .
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17242 Posts
May 16 2013 03:39 GMT
#179
The game needs fewer displacements, not more. Or, alternatively, tenacity to not be ignored by displacements.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 03:46:16
May 16 2013 03:44 GMT
#180
On May 16 2013 11:54 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 11:45 ticklishmusic wrote:
i've come to the conclusion that no one (or very few people) know how to play support champs. a lot of them have winrates a lot lower than they should considering how powerful their kits are. obviously there being one per team and a certain dependence on other members of the team for damage will keep their w/r closer to 50% than otherwise, but still.

karma is op a shit, yet her w/r is like 40%. thresh is still ridiculously strong, even though most people don't play him to his full potential. nami is still getting buffed, despite the fact i can get so farmed half the time that i can essentially play her as a secondary adc with no detriment to her supporty abilities.

get a sightstone, build a bilgewater, land your q, w eee ult bam free kill

also, dat feel when you *don't feel* like playing a champ in ARAM, reroll and get janna.



I don't have much against your post, but the current karma should not be considered primarily as a support. Her win rating on websites might be bogged down due to people still wanting to play her as a support. From my understanding, she is made in mind for a role as a solo laner. As in, Riot made a conscious decision to change her to fit the AP utility role/solo lane rather than keep her in a support role.

In other words, if you want to play Karma right now, you should do so in a solo lane because she's going to be far more efficient in that role than the support role. The biggest thing that makes a support champion is their efficiency in that role. It's a bit difficult to describe because I suck at explaining properly.

Solo laner that has no CC and deals no dmg is a pretty problematic concept though. She can give all her utility as a support all the same, can she not? She mainly scales with cdr.

On May 16 2013 12:39 Craton wrote:
The game needs fewer displacements, not more. Or, alternatively, tenacity to not be ignored by displacements.

Wouldn't mind if they removed some that make no sense(Zac's) but Namis Q really would make more sense if it was a knockup. She shouldn't become op due to it as it's still difficult to land etc. (unlike Zac's stuff for example)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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