Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.

MCMilo

United States365 Posts

May 16 2013 05:27 GMT

#201

On May 16 2013 14:23 kainzero wrote:
the problem with maxing Q first is that it's hard to hit, lol

... what kind of excuse is that?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

May 16 2013 05:29 GMT

#202

Lets max plants first on Zyra cuz Q and E are hard to hit.

There are plenty of skillshot dependent champs who max their skillshots first because their usefulness is just that much better than the alternative skills. You'd never max E first on Ezreal.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

May 16 2013 05:33 GMT

#203

On May 16 2013 14:29 TheYango wrote:
Lets max plants first on Zyra cuz Q and E are hard to hit.

Isn't that the whole point behind Chogath W max? Cuz its easier to hit than the Q.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

May 16 2013 05:34 GMT

#204

On May 16 2013 09:12 Capped wrote:
Feels like TF was buffed, or at least twisted into an AD with an insane AS steroid. (See what i did there? XD)

Yeah his ult took a hit, but that AS buff with removal of CDR looks like he's a more viable ADC now lol.

Also - Adjusting recommended items for champions and maps is fucking awesome.

And finally - Crucible first buy on all defensive supports. gg no re. (Hai soraka.)

That's what my friend told me before I even read the patch. More ADC TFs, which he already rolls and stomps people with handedly lol.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

May 16 2013 05:35 GMT

#205

Rupture only gains dmg, W gains silence duration as well.

Yeah it is more practical but that's not everything.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

May 16 2013 05:36 GMT

#206

On May 16 2013 14:33 wei2coolman wrote:

Show nested quote +

Isn't that the whole point behind Chogath W max? Cuz its easier to hit than the Q.

Or because 1 second additional duration on a large AoE silence is really strong.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

May 16 2013 05:37 GMT

#207

This talk has made me really want to practice Nami Q's lol

KissBlade

United States5718 Posts

May 16 2013 05:42 GMT

#208

I just max W and Q and put a pt in E for utility. Liquidpractice terror Nami here before she even got her buffs. I agree with Yango that Q levels are incredibly underrated. It chunks really hard. I still max W first though for the easier trade harass.

c.Deadly

United States545 Posts

May 16 2013 05:46 GMT

#209

On May 16 2013 14:23 kainzero wrote:
the problem with maxing Q first is that it's hard to hit, lol

that's even more reason to max Q first, if you miss there's a shorter opportunity for the enemy to punish you.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

May 16 2013 05:46 GMT

#210

The thing is, W's mana cost scaling is just disgustingly bad. +15 per rank is really rare these days--the mana cost almost doubles going from rank 1 to rank 5.

Trading well isn't just about coming out ahead on health. If trading is strains your mana really hard, it still won't work out for you in the long run, especially since people bring health sustain to lane but typically not as much mana sustain.

MCMilo

United States365 Posts

May 16 2013 05:53 GMT

#211

There are a two points in the game where Nami simply reigns supreme right now: level 6, and level 9 with Q max. With W max, Nami doesn't have nearly as powerful of a scaling, is EXTREMELY mana dependent unlike Q max, and has less crowd control.

Simple: With Q max, you decrease her dependency on mana, which gives more flexibility in her rune and mastery choices (zero mana regen needed) AND it gives her a very powerful 10 second cooldown big nuke that not many enemies can deal with. Instead of trying to win my attrition (I believe Nami loses in this department anyway because of how aggressively her W's mana cost scales), you just fking manmode with her base mana and offensive rune and mastery set ups and trade them to death that way.

cLutZ

United States19573 Posts

May 16 2013 05:56 GMT

#212

By the way, the english casters for OGN are really quite good.

Just giving them props.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

May 16 2013 06:00 GMT

#213

The problem with Q max Nami is it's kinda dangerous to not clutch Q, I'm a big fan of E max for that reason, but Q max has it's place (I like it with Ashe)

Artok

Netherlands2219 Posts

May 16 2013 06:17 GMT

#214

you max e, no questions lol

MCMilo

United States365 Posts

May 16 2013 06:18 GMT

#215

Missing a rank 1 or 2 Q at level 9 is a much bigger problem than missing a rank 5 Q at level 9 or even earlier levels. You're trying to get more mileage out of her slow to hit a rupture-like skill, but is that using Nami properly? Even if it hits, it will have low damage and cannot properly pressure for a longer period of time.

WIth just a rank 1 E, you're pretty much guaranteed to hit them at least once (340 BASE movement speed + 30 bonus for 1.5 seconds soon to be 40) and that will significantly increase the threat of Nami's skills with an extremely high damage skill, and with a lower cooldown, AND with flat mana costs across the board unlike her other two spells. Even if you miss, the cooldown is 4 seconds lower and by W'ing your AD or yourself, both of you will have +30 (+40) movespeed to disengage and rethink your plans. And when you HIT, a 10 second engagement is an entirely different story compared to a 14 second engage, not to mention the differences in damage potential.

sung_moon

United States10110 Posts

May 16 2013 06:19 GMT

#216

Tried looking for a Lissandra thread, and figured I'd ask here (even though we shouldn't be asking for item builds here).

Should I go for D-Rings -> HG -> tanky AP items (Abyssal/Rylais etc.) or something like RoA/Athene's/Morro's?

I find myself favoring the former.