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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 08:43:57
May 21 2013 08:43 GMT
#1601
Is EUW down just for me ? No Reddit post :o
The legend of Darien lives on
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 21 2013 08:50 GMT
#1602
I just logged in tolkien. Also, patch notes for all these Jungle / wriggles changes?
Useless wet fish.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
May 21 2013 08:55 GMT
#1603
On May 21 2013 17:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
Is EUW down just for me ? No Reddit post :o


It was broken for me until I restarted my computer.
No I'm never serious.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
May 21 2013 09:08 GMT
#1604
On May 21 2013 17:50 Capped wrote:
I just logged in tolkien. Also, patch notes for all these Jungle / wriggles changes?

It's PBE, so all tentative.

However, a current compilation would be:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/stonewall/24305-aatrox-patch-jungle-changes
and
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/24320-updated-pbe-aatrox-the-darkin-blade-is-back-woad
(scroll down to items for the second)
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 09:20:48
May 21 2013 09:20 GMT
#1605
How do ranked points get awarded?

I started off in Silver and I've worked my way up to gold1 now. Initially I was getting 15-25pts per game, and now I'm getting like 3-7pts per game (Gold1, 55pt). Is this because I've hit my 'true' rating? HALP
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
May 21 2013 09:25 GMT
#1606
On May 21 2013 18:20 Masq wrote:
How do ranked points get awarded?

I started off in Silver and I've worked my way up to gold1 now. Initially I was getting 15-25pts per game, and now I'm getting like 3-7pts per game (Gold1, 55pt). Is this because I've hit my 'true' rating? HALP


I still dont know. I skipped both gold 4 and gold 2, but then got clamping at 99lp in gold 1 (got ~24 ish LP per win before clamping in gold 1), stuck on 99 for 6 games with +0 LP for a win. Then went on a lossstreak, dropped to gold 2, got back in gold 1 after a while and now im getting about 7 LP for a win all of a sudden.

I dont get much of it either, game lets me skip 2 complete gold tiers, then clamps me anyway :/
KCCO!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 09:32:52
May 21 2013 09:29 GMT
#1607
On May 21 2013 18:20 Masq wrote:
How do ranked points get awarded?

I started off in Silver and I've worked my way up to gold1 now. Initially I was getting 15-25pts per game, and now I'm getting like 3-7pts per game (Gold1, 55pt). Is this because I've hit my 'true' rating? HALP


If the game thinks you aren't ready for hitting plat, and you're on a winning streak, the game will award fewer and fewer points because it's not certain where you belong. The solution is to win a lot, lose one, and continue.

To elaborate on how I think that works.

You have a uncertainty rating that's at 100, increasing by 20 per game you win because you've won so many in a row. If you lose, it drops the uncertainty by 50.
You have a MMR changing at 15 per game. At some point, uncertainty is increasing faster than MMR, and thus the system is still not sure if you belong in a higher league, despite your median rating being a fair bit into the next league. This causes it to clamp your rank points to prevent promotion.


Nice to see you're playing LoL. I still remember watching Husky's casts of you in my SC2 days.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 21 2013 09:59 GMT
#1608
On May 21 2013 16:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
Just bought Jayce. Didn't think he was that hard to pick up, you really can't all-in anybody at all :/ Thank god his mid-game is godlike.

Wat.

Play him mid next time and all-in at 2 np.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
May 21 2013 10:05 GMT
#1609
HOLY FUCKING JESUS, IT'S FUCKING TUESDAY AND STILL EUW IS FUCKED. WHAT THE FUCK, RIOT, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK???? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO KEEP IT STABLE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
May 21 2013 10:16 GMT
#1610
Yiliang Peng @CLGDoublelift
Staying awake all night until my flight. I'm too stubborn to back out now. 9 more hours to go


Looks like they learned the lesson. l0l
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
May 21 2013 10:25 GMT
#1611
On May 21 2013 19:05 greggy wrote:
HOLY FUCKING JESUS, IT'S FUCKING TUESDAY AND STILL EUW IS FUCKED. WHAT THE FUCK, RIOT, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK???? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO KEEP IT STABLE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE


Calm down? They are working on it, they cant work harder than they are on it, read some red posts for the status on it.
KCCO!
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
May 21 2013 10:49 GMT
#1612
On May 21 2013 19:25 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 19:05 greggy wrote:
HOLY FUCKING JESUS, IT'S FUCKING TUESDAY AND STILL EUW IS FUCKED. WHAT THE FUCK, RIOT, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK???? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO KEEP IT STABLE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE


Calm down? They are working on it, they cant work harder than they are on it, read some red posts for the status on it.

thing is, they can. it's called planned maintenance, not "wait till shit blows up and then try to bandaid"
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
May 21 2013 11:27 GMT
#1613
On May 21 2013 19:49 greggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 19:25 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:05 greggy wrote:
HOLY FUCKING JESUS, IT'S FUCKING TUESDAY AND STILL EUW IS FUCKED. WHAT THE FUCK, RIOT, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK???? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO KEEP IT STABLE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE


Calm down? They are working on it, they cant work harder than they are on it, read some red posts for the status on it.

thing is, they can. it's called planned maintenance, not "wait till shit blows up and then try to bandaid"


You cant plan maintenance on something you dont know will break somehow. They already stated they dont know where the problems come from but they are now actively monitoring to get more data on how and when it breaks. No maintenance is going to prevent problems you cant see coming , specially since they dont even know whats wrong yet. It breaks at random, it happens, its technology with esports, it happens.

And even if all you say is true, theres still no need to rage like u called mid 5th pick and didnt get it in bronze 5.
KCCO!
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
May 21 2013 11:46 GMT
#1614
Technology is the vehicle of esports. And riot are the mechanics slamming you with a laundry list of problems when you go in to get it checked before a big roadtrip.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 21 2013 12:57 GMT
#1615
Aatrox is really fun.

I played him as a jungler, with W max his clear is pretty good after the first one, and his ganks are actually just devastating. If you come to a lane with a W proc ready, you can easily get two W procs off in one gank.

I built him tanky, felt like I did a fair amount of damage just autoattacking people. His W onhit does like 200 damage plus 0.7 bonus AD, its noticable. You come out of the jungle, and just like burst the hell out of people with EQ-Wproc.

Thing that stuck out to me most is just how high his base attack speed is. I feel like it one of the best in the game. With madreds he clears jungle really easily.
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
May 21 2013 12:58 GMT
#1616
On May 21 2013 20:27 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 19:49 greggy wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:25 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:05 greggy wrote:
HOLY FUCKING JESUS, IT'S FUCKING TUESDAY AND STILL EUW IS FUCKED. WHAT THE FUCK, RIOT, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK???? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO KEEP IT STABLE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE


Calm down? They are working on it, they cant work harder than they are on it, read some red posts for the status on it.

thing is, they can. it's called planned maintenance, not "wait till shit blows up and then try to bandaid"


You cant plan maintenance on something you dont know will break somehow. They already stated they dont know where the problems come from but they are now actively monitoring to get more data on how and when it breaks. No maintenance is going to prevent problems you cant see coming , specially since they dont even know whats wrong yet. It breaks at random, it happens, its technology with esports, it happens.

And even if all you say is true, theres still no need to rage like u called mid 5th pick and didnt get it in bronze 5.


i wrote a few paragraphs dissecting how this post is full of shit but ultimately you seem to have stumbled onto the truth: they have no fucking idea how their patches or prolonged stress affect their servers (because hint: nothing ever breaks "at random") and it catches them by surprise every. fucking. time. why? because of their lackadaiscal attitide, which shows in almost everything they do. it's really frustrating.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
May 21 2013 13:00 GMT
#1617
You'll never catch every bug in a release schedule like theirs. You need to have really good test mechanisms in place to thoroughly vet new code, but with how their code is cobbled together I'd be surprised if they did.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21656 Posts
May 21 2013 13:26 GMT
#1618
On May 21 2013 21:58 greggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 20:27 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:49 greggy wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:25 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:05 greggy wrote:
HOLY FUCKING JESUS, IT'S FUCKING TUESDAY AND STILL EUW IS FUCKED. WHAT THE FUCK, RIOT, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK???? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO KEEP IT STABLE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE


Calm down? They are working on it, they cant work harder than they are on it, read some red posts for the status on it.

thing is, they can. it's called planned maintenance, not "wait till shit blows up and then try to bandaid"


You cant plan maintenance on something you dont know will break somehow. They already stated they dont know where the problems come from but they are now actively monitoring to get more data on how and when it breaks. No maintenance is going to prevent problems you cant see coming , specially since they dont even know whats wrong yet. It breaks at random, it happens, its technology with esports, it happens.

And even if all you say is true, theres still no need to rage like u called mid 5th pick and didnt get it in bronze 5.


i wrote a few paragraphs dissecting how this post is full of shit but ultimately you seem to have stumbled onto the truth: they have no fucking idea how their patches or prolonged stress affect their servers (because hint: nothing ever breaks "at random") and it catches them by surprise every. fucking. time. why? because of their lackadaiscal attitide, which shows in almost everything they do. it's really frustrating.


Every one of these problems has a single simple design choice at its core. Back when production on LoL was started it was a small company making a fun game. They didn't have a lot of resources, they didn't have a lot of money. So they made LoL without accounting for a lot of things. A program made to be played by a thousand or 10 million has to be coded a little different. No one expected LoL to go as big as it did. So now there backbone is very ill suited to handle the insane amount of data moving around. And as a company in business they cant just stop expanding on there game and re-writing there entire code backbone to be more robust.

Yes if all those years ago they knew they would be servicing tens of millions of players this could have been avoided. No one expected it and now they need to make the best of what they got.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 13:44:23
May 21 2013 13:29 GMT
#1619
i need to go to costco/sam's sometime soon to get food :/

i think it'd be pretty possible to just rewrite lol while leaving the servers up, put the new version out in beta kind of like PBE w/ basically all the champs as freeweek and go through a few months of testing (okay its riot, so maybe like a week) while giving everyone ample time to download it. after testing, they can move all the accounts that have been accessed in the past year and move them to the new server. people could also just stick with the account they had there, but old transferred accounts would get a sexy as shit zilean skin or something.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
May 21 2013 13:31 GMT
#1620
On May 21 2013 22:26 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:58 greggy wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:27 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:49 greggy wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:25 ihasaKAROT wrote:
On May 21 2013 19:05 greggy wrote:
HOLY FUCKING JESUS, IT'S FUCKING TUESDAY AND STILL EUW IS FUCKED. WHAT THE FUCK, RIOT, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK???? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO KEEP IT STABLE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE


Calm down? They are working on it, they cant work harder than they are on it, read some red posts for the status on it.

thing is, they can. it's called planned maintenance, not "wait till shit blows up and then try to bandaid"


You cant plan maintenance on something you dont know will break somehow. They already stated they dont know where the problems come from but they are now actively monitoring to get more data on how and when it breaks. No maintenance is going to prevent problems you cant see coming , specially since they dont even know whats wrong yet. It breaks at random, it happens, its technology with esports, it happens.

And even if all you say is true, theres still no need to rage like u called mid 5th pick and didnt get it in bronze 5.


i wrote a few paragraphs dissecting how this post is full of shit but ultimately you seem to have stumbled onto the truth: they have no fucking idea how their patches or prolonged stress affect their servers (because hint: nothing ever breaks "at random") and it catches them by surprise every. fucking. time. why? because of their lackadaiscal attitide, which shows in almost everything they do. it's really frustrating.


Every one of these problems has a single simple design choice at its core. Back when production on LoL was started it was a small company making a fun game. They didn't have a lot of resources, they didn't have a lot of money. So they made LoL without accounting for a lot of things. A program made to be played by a thousand or 10 million has to be coded a little different. No one expected LoL to go as big as it did. So now there backbone is very ill suited to handle the insane amount of data moving around. And as a company in business they cant just stop expanding on there game and re-writing there entire code backbone to be more robust.

Yes if all those years ago they knew they would be servicing tens of millions of players this could have been avoided. No one expected it and now they need to make the best of what they got.

I honestly think that rewriting the code backbone wouldn't be that disastrous. They have enough money to hire more people specifically for this job, and I also think that if they don't, the community would be more than willing to fund some kickstarter project to get enough money for it.
Now I don't know for how long the servers would be offline when they launch the new backbone, but if it would be less than a week I'd be happy to pay that price if we get stable servers back for it.
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